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Beautiful color!! Thanks for sharing!! Good luck with it and don't forget to show the progress!
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Looking great! It's nice when all the new shiny stuff starts to happen!
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Is that masked stainless trim that has been left on behind the rear door, or is it stamped into the body?
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Boy can I relate...It looks great! Congratulations.
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Thats how the bodies were stamped. Would not have had that much shine with the original lacquer UNTIL the paint was buffed out and polished. Looks grate and a good color match.That was a very popular color in 1951.
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It looks great! The worst part of it is that there still a lot of work to do. The fit and finish seems to take forever and it is just so hard to keep from rushing it. The best part of it is everything you do from now on give you the feel of progress
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It is foil, the whole car is covered in it, plus I have sound deadening material for the inside of the doors yet.
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Yes my buddy calls it a "modern paint job", color Fathom Green, 4 coats of primer, 2 coats of primer sealer, 3 coats of paint, and 3 coats of clear. So basically the car is a 1/4 inch bigger
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That is beautiful!
I fell in love with the Fleetline model as a young teenager in the early 1970s. A local gas station owner proudly displayed his 1950 Fleetline in front of the station; it too was green metallic, but maybe a shade darker. For 1950, I guess this would have been "Crystal Green."
I have owned my 1949 2 dr Fleetline since 1988--it is black, but looks very elegant.
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Sweet color!! Mine's next!! LOL
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Sweet color!! Mine's next!! LOL You're starting to fall behind!
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Looks great dads 51. Ours are "different" 1951's - but everybody in VCCA is going to love yours!
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Yes my buddy calls it a "modern paint job", color Fathom Green, 4 coats of primer, 2 coats of primer sealer, 3 coats of paint, and 3 coats of clear. So basically the car is a 1/4 inch bigger Not entirely an exaggeration, either! From my own experience, I can tell you one thing specifically to beware of: do you remember the sliding lock plates that retain the exterior door handles to the doors? They will be significantly more difficult to insert than they were to remove. Both the additional paint thickness above that of the old lacquer, and the new uncompressed rubber pads can conspire to make reinstalling the exterior door handles lots of fun!
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WOW ! Thats all I can say right now.
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Well safe at home in the Man cave! I'm thinking front and rear glass first?? and then work my way out?
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Not sure if I should start another subject or just add to this as I'm guessing I'll have a bunch of questions as this re assembly goes on. This one is what color was this top bar that I have primed lime green for now. I'm guessing semi gloss black? Or argent silver?
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Which rubber bumper is correct? The one with the pointed nipple seems right but doesn't give with the hole size and won't reach through? The other one is going to need a bolt and washer?
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The fasten with the nipple. My '50 has two thicker bumpers and two thinner ones. It looks as if the two pieces of metal are too far apart.
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Are the two thinner ones on the outside or towards the inside? Thanks
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The painter filled in one of the mounting holes which an easy fix but which way does this bracket hang. i think like this picture however pictures from my parts car show it the other way or upside down? So if my picture is right does the license plate actually mount to the car body on the top two screws? Or did rubber bumpers go in those holes?
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Your parts car was correct....
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So what goes in the left and right holes in the body? Rubber bumpers?
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The factory pictures I have do not show the holes. They would be behind the license plate and it;s bracket and there is nothing there. Was does your parts car have ?
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It has a hole on the left and right at the same level of the slots of the plate holder See the above picture Thanks
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just went to look at my 50 no holes like the ones you have pictured just the bracket my guess is someone didnt like or have the bracket and and mounted the license plate using sheet metal screws or maybe had some kind license plate lite but in my opinion the holes shouldnt be there
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I have TWO 1951 Chevys, both #2 condition. One is restored, one is original.
Neither one has those two additional holes. They do not belong there, on the stock body.
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Bullet holes?
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Great, anybody got some fathom green body putty?
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If the holes end up being behind the license plate bracket I would find two low, flat rubber bumpers and install them in the holes. Even if they need to be glued in place.
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Yes thanks I have bumpers that will work, it's just not right and would have been an easy fix prior to paint.
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So I'm having troubles finding the original black rubber trunk mat. I have tried all the usual suspects, Filing Station, National Chev, Chev of 40, Any suggestions? 51 Fleetline, deluxe
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The Filling Station lists both the black and the brown. The early 1951 Deluxe had brown trunk lining and a brown mat. The late 1951 Deluxe had both in black. When was your 1951 assembeled?
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Ah, thanks I thought I had checked the Filling station. My car is an "e" and the pieces of sideboards and Matt was black.
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bought the mat for my 50 cant remember off hand if it was fillin station or chev 40's but it came a rather light to a greyish looking brown my opinion is the early 51 had brown because they were using parts left from 50 production year and when that was depleted they went to basic black unless you are getting a numbers correct show car ready for points either mat would be fine but i would go with the black because i have seen the brown that is offered and myself dont care for it but its in the car now so i will live with it andy
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Thety didn't use brown because they had 1950 leftovers. Going to black was one of the 1951 changes to save money and make it easier on the assembly line. Using black enabled them to use the same (pile of) mats for both the Special and Deluxe models. The original brown mat in my 1950 is not a vivid brown but more of a dark tan or coco color.
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Thety didn't use brown because they had 1950 leftovers. Going to black was one of the 1951 changes to save money and make it easier on the assembly line. Using black enabled them to use the same (pile of) mats for both the Special and Deluxe models. The original brown mat in my 1950 is not a vivid brown but more of a dark tan or coco color. "They didn't use brown because they had 1950 leftovers'Confused by the above quote .... Should this read "they didn't use BLACK" ?
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I believe he was referring to the explanation by stefakicoup of why the early 51's had a brown trunk mat.
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I believe he was referring to the explanation by stefakicoup of why the early 51's had a brown trunk mat. I'm understanding that the 1950 had a brown mat. I'm also understanding that the early 1951's had a brown mat, because of an excessive supply of brown mats, from the 1950 model run. Does that seem correct ? Thanks.
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I don't know if they had an excessive amount or not, but I would think that once they decided to make the black the ONLY mat used then it made sense to deplete the stock of the brown.
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I don't know if they had an excessive amount or not, but I would think that once they decided to make the black the ONLY mat used then it made sense to deplete the stock of the brown. Gene had said there were 1950 "leftovers", leading to my excessive comment. I don't know, if there was excess, either.
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The brown mats were NOT 1950 left overs. There may have been something in brown rubber that was scarce due to the Korean war. 1951 had a ton of changes due to the war.
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The brown mats were NOT 1950 left overs. There may have been something in brown rubber that was scarce due to the Korean war. 1951 had a ton of changes due to the war. "Thety didn't use brown because they had 1950 leftovers. Going to black was one of the 1951 changes to save money and make it easier on the assembly line. Using black enabled them to use the same (pile of) mats for both the Special and Deluxe models."I was making my comments, based on your earlier comments above. I knew nothing about left overs, or why "left overs" would even be there, based on assembly line count and procedures. The idea that something in the brown mat was "scarce", due to th war makes sense.
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I think Gene is saying that the change of colour had nothing to do with the model year change. It was decided that 1951's would have brown mats at the beginning of the model year, with the initial plan to run right to the end of the year. The decision to make the change may have happened half way through 1951. Remember, in most automobile factories they keep a supply of parts a few days long, not months. Production planning would have the correct number of mats there for the 1950 run, so there would be no need to "use up" a half years supply of mats. The decision was likely made half way through 1951, along with all of the other changes. The "using up the brown mats" would have taken a much shorter time. It could have been something as simple as a supplier being able to trim a couple cents off the cost if all the mats were black.
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"They didn't use brown because they had 1950 leftovers'
It appears I read the sentence incorrectly, based on Gene's actual meaning.
Brown was used, in 1951, as a continuation of the 1950 model mat color.
When brown was stopped, during the 1951 model run, black was then introduced.
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That may have started sooner with my car as it is an "E" which would make it an April production.
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I would guess that would have been one of the first Deluxe 1951's with with black.
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That may have started sooner with my car as it is an "E" which would make it an April production. "E" = May.
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JYD....is yours black or brown?
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Well........that's a tough one. Going back to 1960 when I first got the car, as I remember, the mats and trunk lining were black. Unfortuantely, that was all replaced several years later because the mats were in bad shape. In the front compartment I installed a new black floor mat from my local Chevrolet dealer and the trunk mat is aftermarket. On my 1951 parts car, (it was all original but had a rusted out body), the mats and trunk lining were brown.
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My 51 was a January build and has a brown mat.
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My "L" 1951 (Dec of 1950) = brown.
My "G" 1951 ( July of 1951) = black.
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Gorgeous paint!! Wow.
Congrats.
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I didn't think these rear bumper brackets would be an issue to put back on as I thought they would only go on one way but the bracket fits with the curve up and also down. Unfortunately I don't have pictures and The parts car brackets are missing. Any thoughts on which way the curve goes, up or curves down? Thanks
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Curve goes down.. it's upside down in the picture. Just put mine on this week as well. I think we're still tied...
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Ah now I get your earlier post we are in a race are we?
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However I'm ready to drive this thing! Spring?
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You may have some advantages... I have a one year old kid that gets more time than my other baby recently! I'm hoping to be done by July.
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so was this bracket painted on the frame, or were the bolts that hold it to the frame "paint less"?
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If that is a bumper mounting bracket the bumper brackets were gloss black and painted before installation. The bolts holding it to the frame were not painted.
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Ok that wasn't fun Now the question is the center post between the split windows didn't suck up into the glass molding on the inside. It did fit and lock when I tried just the molding and no glass. The book says no sealant on the vertical part so I'll thinking it will snug up with the center post trim hardware? It's close but nothing that will stay if you pry the rubber lip over the end of the verticle divider.
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Anybody got any thoughts or history about putting the doors on without all the mechanism and glass first because of dealing with the extra weight?
It may be easier to install everything while the doors are flat on a bench?
I had planned on putting the gaskets on first for sure.
Thought So?
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I would install all except the upholstery while the door is off.
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dads51, If you have a means to support the door off the car and install the parts without scratching or denting the paint or metal then off the car might be best. However installing the door on the body provides a solid support (particularly vertically) to install the internal parts. Sorta six of one or half dozen of the other.
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when i did my 50 coupe i put everything together(door on car ) when i finally got the door properly aligned to me it was easier to do standing up instead of bent over, also the door is not moving on you every time you try to put a part on. make sure you have plenty of help and very careful when you go to open doors with fender on it is very close to where the door spear meets the front fender i had to really work on that phase to make sure nothing hits when opening you will see what i mean
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Thanks for all the hints on the doors Anyone know the part number or got a set of these rear license plate bumper hold down brackets Y
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They look like the retainers that attach the accessort bumper rail that holds the rail to the top of the bumper guards.
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They look like the retainers that attach the accessort bumper rail that holds the rail to the top of the bumper guards. Yes, those are the accessory trunk guard retainers on my '51..
1951 Chevy Styleline Deluxe 2 door sedan / purchased from second owner 6-19-2000.
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Understand but does anyone know a part number that I could search by? Or have an extra set laying around?
I need them and may end up asking a set as I haven't seen them offered anywhere. Can't even remember where I saw this set online years ago?
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There is no part number for them because they were not sold through parts. It would have been listed as NSS = not serviced seperately, part of unit.
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Figured out why I couldn't bring the center post gasket up to the post. I needed these stainless trim fasteners. They are in the national Chevy catalog big as life, just never noticed them after what 100 times of going through it. Turns out I was missing the center post garnish and the little joint covers. What's interesting is both my restoration car and my parts car were missing all these three pieces. interesting mystery. Fortunately EBay is out there! Now I could mount my visor. Didn't mount garnish yet till the headliner is in.
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Is that clock housing not supposed to be the same colour as the dash top? Or is it just the lighting?
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The center garnish moulding is listed in the parts book as fitting 1949-1952 Styleline models and one for 1949-1952 Fleetlines (which is shorter). The joint covers 1951 only for some reason and both Fleetline and Styleline.
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I found that out the hard way and had to cut the center garnish down by 1/2 inch or so and re drill the one of the garnish holes and frame holes but managed to get it to fit. The EBay auction said Styleline and who new other that the parts book they were different. Glad to know the joint covers will eventually fit.
Clock is the same as the dash FYI
Still curious why both cars were missing this internal garnish? Seems odd?
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Going to tackle the hood soon. Masking all the edges to prevent scratches. Other than new hood bolts, new springs and those spring stretcher boxes and maybe three friends to help, any other suggestions or warnings?
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Well 20 years later and the rear end "bling" is back on. Someday the new tire will fit.
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those small pieces i had some would have given them to you to help your project along sometimes its a good idea to check with members to see what they might have sitting around sometimes i hate ebay use it mostly as last resort.also dont like when someone puts corvette on a part when its the same darn part for a regular chevy enough on that.nice looking spare tire(rim) but i got a funny feeling it might not fit in the tire well.i tried with a radial on stock rim would not go in well had to find a 670x15 factory (its skinnier) tire and it fit just right good luck andy
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Finished with the front end, doors are next!
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Wow, It's going together quick!! Not sure I'd have put the fog lights in front of the parking lights though. Are they not supposed to hook to the front bumper braces under the splash pan? A little more inboard, like this?...
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What is the thingie mounted on the hood behind the jet? Bug Deflector? Traffic light viewer?
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Car looks fantastic!! I'm "green with envy!!"
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Thanks, The splash pan all ready had two nasty holes cut in it for the lights but the fog lights were missing. I didn't know to reposition them so I left them and actually the dimmer switch button floor gasket fit perfectly to clean the opening up. Is what it is!
The green hood plastic thing is a bug defector. My dads/grand dads car had the same thing. I post a pic if it think about it.
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[quote=dads51]Thanks, The splash pan all ready had two nasty holes cut in it for the lights but the fog lights were missing. I didn't know to reposition them so I left them and actually the dimmer switch button floor gasket fit perfectly to clean the opening up. Is what it is!
Not sure how the fog lights mounts are designed on the early 50's cars but if the mounting post comes up and has a right angle to attach light can you reverse or swap sides to get the lights closer inboard ?? Beautiful job on the car. Love the color!!
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Ya I think a new splash pan someday when I'm really bored! Really, really, bored!
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Fantastic job!!! I have a set of the spring tools, thanks for showing us how they are to work...I never had any luck with mine. May try them again some day
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When I installed the fog lights on my '51 I ran into a small problem. I got the Accessories Manual out and used it for instructions instead of the ones that came in the box with these generic "reproductions". I started with the one on the right. Found the bumper brace underneath, drilled a pilot hole, then used a knock out bit to punch it up to the inch or so wide hole needed. The light mounted perfect, hooked to the brace with the clamps. "This is too easy!" I thought... (NEVER think that!!) Moved to the other side. Marked the pilot hole by the brace, and measured where the light would be. It turned out it was going to be half behind the bumper guard!! What went wrong??!! I started looking at the whole front end, and realized the entire bumper, pan and braces were off centre by a good inch- inch and a half. The bumper almost touched the fender on the driver side, and there was a huge gap on the other side! I ended up just drilling the hole in the spot for the light to be in the right position and installed it not hooked to the bumper brace. If I had done it right, and straightened the braces, the first hole I drilled would have been to far over to hook the light to the brace on that side. When the car went for painting I had Kerry fill the holes. I'm not going to install these lights, but will look for some correct GM accessory ones. When I put the pan and bumper back on, you can bet that they'll be straight!!
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did you think about finding fog lights with different brackets that would off set the lights away from turn signals.on a 50 model the holes would work cause parking lites are closer to bumper bar.have you got fog lites if you havent thats what i would look for is something with a offset bracket that would save you the trouble of taking things apart again by the way you have a great looking car andy will look in my piles of stuff and see if have any brackets(no lites)left over that might help you out
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friends of mines dad always had some off the wall accessories on his 52 i know he had a green deflector sort of like yours going back now that i look at the fog lites closer i see that the bracket is offset and i dont think you will find brackets with longer off set then you already have.do you have any body that might be able to add or make you something even a couple of inches would make a big difference in showing more of the parking light got nothing to do on this cold day will look and see whats out there
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Gramps/dads car had the same deflector Two of my sisters in the photo, I'm not born yet? Great grand mother however F
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Ok I'm going to have to move the fog lights now. Not sure how I'm going to fix the nasty holes. Any I looked at my bumper bracket and it appears that the fog light angled brackets mount towards the middle of the car and face outward right?
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That's correct. If you angle them inwards it puts the light behind the bumper guard.
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Hey Dads... Is that the very same car in the picture, or are you doing a re-creation?
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Looked for the original for years, North Dakota bound I think, it was 1979? The radio dash area was cut out to accomidate a 8 track if I remember?
A re creation, correct except it's a power Gluide
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To mount the fog lamps in the corect position check the 1951 accessory installation manual.
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That door panel looks beautiful!!!
Are you planning on attending any VCCA shows with it this year?
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Sorry not really sure what shows you are referring to? I'm trying to get the car done by mid May as I want to drive it a 1000 miles one way to South Dakota the last week in June.
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Beautiful upholstery work. 1000 miles in May. That's coming up soon.
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Sorry not really sure what shows you are referring to? I'm trying to get the car done by mid May as I want to drive it a 1000 miles one way to South Dakota the last week in June. Go to pages 10 and 11 of your current G & D to see the VCCA events.
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Personally I think it is a mistake to take a fresh restoration and drive it a long distance right off the bat. There is bound to be some problems showing up.
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Personally I think it is a mistake to take a fresh restoration and drive it a long distance right off the bat. There is bound to be some problems showing up. Yes, 1,000 miles one way, is Baptism by Fire.
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i plan on putting a couple of thousand miles on it before I leave.
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Last week in June and its 2000 total.
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Where did you get the carpet and floor mat? Are you happy with them/ recommend them?
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Who determined the length of the front seat belts? If I remember correctly I installed the second longest available on my '50. They were from J.C. Whitney and of excellant quality.
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Hampton Aka Le baron Bonney on the rear Matt. Very happy but broke E bay nos years ago on the front.
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I just ordered the second longest 74 inches for the front seconds ago These are 60 inches and now part of my learning curve
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well, about a month or so of little odds and ends and of course a few minor major projects for this winter but its time for some road miles! Time capsule behind the driver's seat First ever car show
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Looking great! It was fun "riding along" during your restoration. Thanks for posting all of the photos and info, it's really helped me out on my restoration as well! Glad to see you made your first show!
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Well Dads, you did good...I've followed this from the beginning and you did it yourself, congratulations from another Jay. you gave me encouragement.
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Thanks to all you Forum Followers and advisors too!
Most of the time I have been well out of my league!
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Awesome job and awesome car!! Thanks for sharing everything with us !
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That is really great. Looks like all had a good time. The trailering of the car was a good move, all things considered.
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Great work, and a real adventure! Get those kids interested!
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Ha! Unless the car has air conditioning, blue tooth, with amped up speakers your out of luck.
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