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Just to give you an idea where lowered and piped is coming from, it's really not that low, but she is a bit loud! My first time posting a picture, let's see if this works!

Hey, it worked! Check out my license plate frame, now that's called original equipment! See, even lowered and piped CA guys keep them really stock, car for car we may be more original than others - what do ya think?

Here's another member of my local club....

This one will get you - a former G & D cover car from the 70s, enjoying the CA sun....


http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w271/u979706/37JIMBACK.jpg

I'm still looking for your thoughts on a new judging class for cars that are ONLY lowered and piped, but are otherwise VCCA correct (REALLY correct in some instances) - let's hear your thoughts!

One for the road - check out the original dealer "new car instruction packet" hanging from the door handle, that's pretty original if you ask me!
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w271/u979706/37JIMBACK.jpg

Totally gorgeous '37!

Forgot this shot - I am still trying to find out how many 4 door Master Deluxe "trunkless" Sedans may exist in the US (American built cars, not Australian or from New Zealand). These were the rarest 37s built, other than Cabriolets, and I have a feeling there are more converts than sedans left. I have only uncovered about 3 (including mine), anyone know of any others?

Hey Richaerd,

Gorgeous cars..... Simply freakin' goreous!!

I can't even post a picture, so I shouldn't be
offering advice. BUT,if the pictures were just
a tad smaller (don't ask me how to do that) I
think the whole car would "fit" on the screen.

But, forget about that and PLEASE show me more
pix of your lowered and piped over-accessoried
cars on bias ply tires.

They ARE gorgeous!!! I love 'em!!!

Bill.

PS: 1. The Paramount Chevy Dlr license plate
frame is killer. Where was the dealership??

Also, 2. Where were the pix taken?? Local show,
I presume. Where at??

Thanks for the words of encouragement Bill! This was actually my first time posting, if you scroll right you should be able to see the whole car - not sure how to make it smaller yet.

The plate frame was from a dealership in Downey, CA. I bought it from a gentleman who restores and sells (on a limited basis) vintage plate frames. These are "square" to fit CA plates only until 38, and it is one of only 3 he has seen in 35 years of collecting these. Based on his research, 36 or 37 may have been the first known year of commonly used Dealer frames, unless someone knows differently. If you look carefully at the factory photos from the 29 - 39 pictorial book (Chevgene, what is the correct name for this booklet?), you will see a 37 Coupe that has the same shape/style frame, but from a Northern CA dealership - both front and back plates have the bowtie on top. I would argue this may be the rarest Chevy plate frame in existence, but would love to know of more!

This show was in Downtown Huntington Beach, CA (Surf City by Jan & Dean) right by the pier. Gorgeous day, and this was in early March, about 80 degrees (sorry guys!).

Bill wanted more pictures, here is another from the same show...

Richard, Holy %##@# !!! your car is beautiful. Can't wait to see it in person.

And I have your name & add. for the picnic that my region is planning. Look s like it will be in June, {?} but I will let you know.

I do hope to see you sooner than that, maybe Long Beach.
Take care and keep that great ride shinny.
Michael41

Richard
All of those cars could park in the garage at my place ( I would have to clear it out first though). I dont care if they are lowered and piped it wont stop the rubber necks looking, the tyre kickers can keep 6ft away though.
Tony

WOW!!!!

Richard,

Great story about the license plate frame. That item sure adds a lot to the
whole ambience of your car. Terrific item!!

Downtown Huntington Beach.... what a great setting for the show / cruise-in.

And the Deluxe cab pick'em-up truck. NICE! You and your buddys'
cars sure look great!

Bill.

Pin strips missing on the red 38 Coupe?

Check out the artillery wheels, hubcaps and trim-rings on the Coupe.
Overall Very Nice wheel set-up....

Those were recently added to both cars, looks much better!

Those artileries were 15", those are being changed to a 16" version (he has those on his Fleetline if you look really closely, hard to see).

Black stripe on bumper and bumper guards on 38. Something under the trunk handle....

He's waiting on the black stripes until the bumpers get rechromed, but I'm not following you on the trunk handle issue?
I hope you eagle eye guys aren't running radial wide whites, and I'm going to start measuring to see if you are HIGHER than stock with your new or re-arched springs!

Glad you liked the rides guys, I will try to get out more pictures of our other cars (about 8 more) pretty soon. Enjoy your cruising this weekend!

Good lookin' rides Richard........I really like the 48 Fleetline......but then I'm a little partial to them (click below). It's a little too low for my liking (we got bumps in the roads in Vermont....that car wouldn't make it here without losing something from the underside), but to each his own. How come no stainless gravel guards on that Fleetline? I though you guys liked accessories....even in Vermont we got stainless gravel guards :grin:

I'm not trying to give you a hard time, just pointing out that "all stock but lowered and piped" is not really all stock but lowered and piped. I'm pretty sure "I was going to do that" still results in a deduction. The one thing I do know is stock for a 38. Give me half an hour and I'll create a list on any 38, even mine, and I have black walls on mine.

I don't know what is taken off for lowered and piped but it can't be that much. If you really want to put the car to the test, enter a show with some of these folk that say they are all stock and see how you do.

Maybe someone with show scoring knowledge can tell us what deduction you will start with but it would be interesting to see how you fare.

Brian

There appears to be something under the trunk handle, can't tell for sure from the photo.

Bill.

If you want to change the size of the picture and you are using a recent version of Windows, simply place your mouse on the picture and right click. Then click on "Save Picture As." When the box comes up, pick the drive you wish to save it on, give it a name, and click on save.

Then go to "My Computer," click on the drive where you saved it, click on the file, and you will have the picture which you can make any size you want by zeroing in or by adjusting the size of the frame.

You can usually do this on any picture unless there is a copyright problem (which I assume does not exhist on these pictures.)

Thanks for thinking of me Dr. I'm presume what you've written is exactly how to fix the 'problem.' However, I don't have the faintest idea what you said. I'll just keep sliding back-and-forth and wiping up the drool as I go along.

Bill.

This is a good question, and I knew it was only going to be a matter of time before it was asked, as the Assistant Chair to the VCCA Judging Committee I will try my best to give an answer with out seeing the cars in person. The word "stock" seems to be used a lot in this thread and others that were posted on this subject line. In VCCA Judging stock means the only one thing and the same thing from California to Maine, and that is as delivered to the public from the dealer. Dealer installed options on the car are to be Chevrolet approved for the year of manufacture and the owner must be able to document it while being judged if requested. If a member is seeking a VCCA National Award it is always best to strive to replicate every aspect of the restoration to that "as delivered state." A vehicle must score above 901 out of a 1000 to earn an award. If it is lower than 975 it must be the highest point car in the class to move up. All vehicles above 975 will move up. As you can imagine in some classes it can be very hard to move up even with a 900+ point car. Please also keep in mind that these deductions are not made to hurt anyone, but rather reward those who went the extra mile to make sure it is 100% correct. Every vehicle starts at 1000, some stay pretty close....some don't. Every form is returned to the owner to help assist them with any corrections that might need to be made.

The "spilt pipe" issue will result in a deduction in two separate areas. The exhaust manifold is a 10 point deduction and in this case I would advise a maximum deduction. The exhaust system is a maximum of a 25 point deduction, based on correct routing and components, again I would advise the maximum deduction be made.
As far as the lowering that carries a a maximum of 20 points each for both the front and the back, that includes both shocks and springs. This is hard for me to say exactly without seeing the suspension but I would say you could loose as little as 20 or as much as 40.

Presuming everything is stock and in perfect condition it could earn an award, but if the hose clamps, belts, hoses, and some other items are not as stock as you might think the points add up real fast, and you will be looking up at 901. VCCA Judging is about keeping a vehicle as close to 100% correct and rewarding those who do so, based on restoration and preservation only. We created a CDPC class for those members who might enjoy some personal touch, while being visually representitive of that mission.

I hope to have some photos myself of some fun here in the sunny Northeast from the Carter Chevrolet Show, hosted by the Southern New England Region...... I think spring has sprung here so we loaded the trailer and heading up to Hartford CT in the morn

Have fun,
John Mahoney
VCCA Assisatant National Judging Chair