VCCA Home Forums GENERAL DISCUSSION General Discussions Something is rotten in Denmark (Flint)

RGwiz- secure site -this whole problem would have been solved by the Business Process Team proposal that was defeated in Flint after some threats were made to the board.

With what we have right now, a secure site is not possible. That would require an interactive membership database that could check the membership status of a person when they log on. Our database is either (you can pick your favorite )-(1) held hostage at the G&D Publisher’s offices (2) on “paper only” in the Membership Secretary’s garage, or (3) does not exist in any electronic format.

Unfortunately, Fly on the Wall is correct. Without a database, this public forum is the only place that this information can be discussed.

I’m sure we can trust the Editor and Publisher of the G&D to publish the Minutes of the Board Meeting. However, they can only publish what is sent to them, and that probably won’t happen until August or so, anyway. Last year is a great example. Look in the August 2005 issue of the G&D. There are 6 pages of the published minutes from the board meeting. Yea, that sounds like a lot but consider that most of the space is used up telling us about Motions that passed or failed. The Motions were published earlier anyway. The Board meeting is in session for at least a good 12 hours. That’s 12 hours of intense discussion that gets boiled down to a few sentences. So…how much real content do you think makes it into the G&D? Not a heck of a lot. It is true that the Secretary has a tape recorder running the whole time, but that is used to compile the much abbreviated version that he gives to the publisher. You don’t really see anything of any consequence of the actual discussions and debates. You certainly won’t see any thing about threats or shouting matches!

As you can see I sometimes get a little emotional and my mouth runs wild. Just ask anyone who knows me. After last year, I decided I’d be better off not attending any more Board meetings with Don. He is a little bit more diplomatic than I am...

Elizebeth

Actually, Mrs Fink didn't stick it to the Good Ol Boys - they're on HER side! They're the ones you have to worry about dragging down the Club, still stuck in the 1980's...

Elizebeth

This Is addressed to Bill Barker, Our webmaster of this site. Bill, This Is not the time for you to bow out of your position and your running the chat site. I know and so do so many other VCCA members that are on the chat site, That now Is the time for you to move forward as you know how to, To step up to the plate and fight for what you know how to to solve these problems. All of us are 100 percent behind you and,I say to you, Do not bow out now. Your valuable knowledge and talent Is most needed at this time. If you can control and manage hundreds of computer people at Boeing, You surely can handle this. Thanks for what you have done for this chat site.

A footnote to "EGW"s postings above -

As those of you who know us will understand, Lizzy has explained to me that "She is not a Board member, but she is a VCCA member in good standing, and she can say anything she pleases."

So who am I to argue? (it would do no good anyway)

Therefore-

"The thoughts and opinions expressed by my Bride on this chat site are her own, and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of me, the cats, nor the neighbors..."

Bill Barker: i echo Don Bolt's request that you reconsider resigning. this site is the best thing i get from VCCA and you are the man who makes it possible.i know little about the Fink problems but you certainly have impressed me as being an honorable person. hang in there and please reconsider. mike

Chev Gene:

I completely agree with your comment about "...FOTW is not a real person but rather an outlet set up ahead of time..."

Frankly, under the circumstances, it more-or-less doesn't matter if FOTW is 'real' or not. Getting the info to the chat site seems to be the important issue. Sort of like the end justifies the means.

Also as you say, "...it's doing a good job."

Once again, Chev Gene is right on the money!!!



Bill.

I hope Bill B. will heed the plea of Don and Mike and continue his supervision of this great site. Everyday, I learn something about old Chevs. And, I've been around for many years with old Chevs and in this club. For most things, there's an upside and downside;this club is no exception, but the club has few downsides and many upsides...Joe

I have always been reasonably convinced that I am real.

but as you say that really isnt the important point here is it?

Hey Fly On The Wall. I believe that you believe you are real. Thanks for your past comments to the sitsuation at hand. Now lets hear some comments from you on how to fix these problems.

I have a good place to start.

Jean Fink should accept that she is in a serious conflict of interest and resign as a member of the board. she is fine for editor and publisher at least for now - but she should solve this big problem and let the board do its job without her being a constant conflict.

she should keep the interest of the club and members top most in her mind instead of her own greed and get out.

now you want to tell me Im not real who in the world is this Stovenboled nonsense supposed to be. nobody is complaining about that silliness

I am sure your are a real person...as I said it was only a thought.
Now Stovenboled...thats another story.
and ChevyGuru...Your wife is great.They say behind every good man there is a great woman...guess its true.

Hey FOTW!! Stovenboled has been a loyal registered forum member for at least maybe (ONE DAY). Seems to me alot of old members now want to be annonomous!!

bill barker,

I'm sure you have carefully considered your recent actions, but I am joining the many voices here that have expressed a hope that you will please, reconsider...

while the g&d arrives monthly, this site & community of chevy nuts is part of my everyday life and enjoyment...

I am available to help in any way...


epi

I stand by my words:

1. VCCA membership must ALWAYS be informed and notified.
Every board meeting must be published. IE: what transpired, what goals were achieved, what and who voted on each issue, what topics were discussed, etc. A third party stenographer should take notes and provide the minutes to the membership.

Just makes since. No reason NOT to do this.

And I agree many of you, But have you noticed no one has ponied up {yet}with an appology about their behavior {s}. I mean they were there on MY dime.
Michael41

Can someone briefly explain what is going on here?

Can someone briefly explain what is going on here?

Thanks everybody for your support. I'm am very busy right now and previously indicated that I would give a full explanation of my resignation later this weekend when I return.

In all fairness, I will be the first to openly Thank the Board for there success and then first in line to say, do your job with dignity and charactor or pack up.

And I ask once MORE, what did the Board accomplish at the Meeting in Flint.I am sure there are many accomplishments....

Michael41

EGW I have been involved in several organizations and I understood that minutes were to record ACTION taken and not to chronicle the every word of conversation. That is inline with what I expect to see in the G&D account of the National Board Meetings. We have to rely upon the reports of those attending the meeting for the facts and the moods of the spoken words and the expressions of the meeting participants. We have had only a few of the National Board that come and inform us of anything we feel is NEWS. Thanks to you that have responded. I was chastized several months ago when I said "any Board Members that don't have the guts to come on the site and respond to our questions"... about those running for a Director-at-Large position. By Golly I surely didn't mean you or Dick or the other several Directors we see posting here and some others that don't use the site for various legit reasons and I apologize to them.

I agree that we need several items, that our Billy Boy BaRRker mentioned to work on to improve the status of the by laws and to improve VCCA management and finance. We need to work on those items, write them out and present them for action, We should hang together rather than hanging seperately, as someone way back there in time once said. One thing I believe we MUST do is preserve this venue site, VCCAchat.org, in a usable form in order to present a strong and united face.

Hello all, You do not see me very often on the chat site. However this discussion is of the utmost importance to the VCCA.

First I would like to join the others in asking Bill to continues serving the needs of the VCCA by maintaining this site. I sat and talked with Bill while we were waiting for our flight at Flint, at that time I could fully understand his resignation in response to the meeting. However after reading the input from many interested members I must change my mind. This VCCA forum is one of the very few VCCA aspects that is in the 21st century.

I chose to attend this years BOD meeting at my own expense because of my interest and concern for the club. I served 11 years as the Area #8 Director. I always tried to do what I believed to be the best for the VCCA. A number of other board members with the same goal have brought many new ideas only to be shot down time after time.

Some have asked about the minutes of the meetings. What you see in the G&D is the condensed and santized version. If you doubt that ask anyone who attended the 2004 meeting in Tampa, then read the minutes. I cast no negative towards our secretary, rather I offer that we need a profesional recording the meeting minutes. As we waited for our flights in Flint is was suggested we might consider a court stenographer for future meetings.

As President for two years I attempted to be the catlyst for modernizing the VCCA. A concept to develop an interactive database for all of the VCCA needs was proposed. A committee was charged to develop a proposal to be presented to the board prior to years end 2005. An RFI distributed to vendors. The committee reviewed and discussed our needs with many. A small number were further scrutinized and the best value vendor was chosen. All of this was accomplished. The proposal was then presented to the entire board, 'discussed' and approved via electronic vote. A contract was to be presented for approval at Flint. The contract was not completed in time for the meeting because two of the committee members were still negotiating with the vendor for the best possible deal for the VCCA. Therefore a vote was called for the President to sign the contract in a week or two when the negoiting was completed. The vote was taken and failed. Nothing else was offered! The project was dead after a year of work! The result we will continue to have our anitiquated and scattered records.

I hope I have been able to answer some of the questions raised.
Dave Cavagnaro

This is where we need to start, IMHO; The members of the VCCA must get more information about the people running for the Board in order to make an informed vote. The way it is now we don't know who stands for what or who wants to do what.

The people running must tell us where they stand on the issues w/o that information the vote is worthless. IMHO only.

Well, one point that might be considered is to get to work immediately compiling a membership data base independant of the one currently in use to distribute the G&D since that one may never surface.
Of course it probably is being worked on already.

I am still having problems with our spell checker... it will show just a few lines of text.

Mack,

RE: Spell Checker.

I see Bossman Bill Barker has some spell checker suggestions in "Chatter Information." Good of you to even be concerned about it. I'm afraid that for some spelling is a lossed art. Lost, he!l, that means they once had it. Again, for some, not very likely.

Bill.

How did the publisher of our magazine get in the posisition to "dictate" to a national club?

How can the considerations of "ONE" company come before the considerations of "ALL OF US", for whom without, there wouldnt be ANY club, and therfor any money...

Sounds like neros fiddleing, while Romes burning.


WOW !!!!

perhaps we members could bring pressure to bear upon the situation by way of a boycott of membership renewal...the small numbers of lifetime and other prepaid members remaining would not only eliminate any profit from a g&d pressrun, it probably would even cause a loss for every printed edition...this would likely give everyone pause to reconsider who really owns and runs the club: the members...once the situation is corrected, we could all renew...I would sacrifice a few timely g&d's to get this club running right...wouldn't you?..


epi