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I'll sign.

But I seem to have stumbled on something important, and maybe I am just slow-BUT- there are several BOD members who have been openly interested in "updating & Improving" VCCA. MY congratulations to those BOD members.

I also congratulate the BOD members that Do Not want changes.

At least I think they don't want changes because I searched for their views, statements and contributions regarding "The Board Meeting, and changes and I see No Postings. So I am left with the view that they Do Not Want any changes.

First old adage comes into play: No One knows what you are thinking unless you tell them.

Michael41

I'll sign it Mack
John

I would sign it.

I wonder how many people are reading this thread?

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I'll sign it. Wouldn't it be easy to sign it (vote) right here on Chevy Chatter?

Oops!!!!

I'll sign it.

Is there a way you can make a motion about this MM? That way it would have to be addressed by the BOD.

I didn't see this until today. I'll sign it too.

Gator, Macky, et al... Mr.Bill, speaking of motions, I would love to see a motion page here. One of us can fill it out and all can sign it.

One reason I have not filed a motion (although I have emailed my area Rep.) is because I have no way of telling that someone else has submitted one on the same subject.

RayG

RGwiz, I really don't have a clear picture of how we could do a thread with a motion, that those that want to can sign it and then send it in to either a regional Director or to Mr. Michael Jones (President)
I really think a motion having to do with having a members' meeting in Grand Junction, or any other place for that matter should go to Mr. Jones ,since he has the authority to call a special meeting. Maybe it could be made out by someone and then be forwarded to the other members to be signed, or what?

I would think that a motion to do anything except amend the By-Laws would be in the form of a resolution?

Maybe it would be more effective if someone posted the written motion here on a forum, and then each of us copied the same motion and all sent them to Mr. Jones, or to our Regional Director?? either by written snail mail or by e-mail? how about some suggestions and comments.....

More on RG's thought about a motion already being submitted.....

It's possible this question (thought) has already been brought up. Sorry if it has.

But.....

What happens if more than one motion is submitted that is basically the "same" as another???

What happens then??? Do they sort of get "combined" into one???

How does that type of thing get "sorted out" ???

Bill.

Exactly 42bill. That's just what I was thinking. Isn't it silly to have all of us submit the same motion only with slightly differant wording or even a slight change in thought. Which one would the BOD choose to act on?

I say we draft a motion here and anyone who basically agrees with it, sign it.
Wheather it's Mack's meeting, the data list, the Library, or something to do with the use of Technology.

I'm of the opinion that there is enough of us here that agree in general. That means to me that we are a Quarum. A Quarum is enough members to draft a motion and submit it.

Hey Mack, can you check your copy of the By-Laws to see if this is legal?

RayG

RayG and other have mu support. Draft away!!

Good Morning All;
As a newer forum member there is only one thing that I've seen that really bugs my butt. I've noticed that when a new guy or gal asks a question concerning their car or truck and it has something to do with a modification or maybye a question on a dual carb setup the answer is usually negative towards them. How do we know that this person does not have a unmolested chevy in the garage. Why not help them out like sending them to a site that will help them. I have pm'd a few of them and sent them to a site that could help them and I have had a couple of Chevy owners tell me that was their first and last visit to this site. Thats pretty sad imo. This is a great site with a world of knowledge and a great bunch of members. But if a change is not made it will surely be the fall of a great organization. Many concours shows have now included hot rods and modifieds. There are alot of car owners that have gone to great lengths to keep their cars basicly stock other than a few mods like a 235 w/a dual intake and split exhaust. There are alot of the younger generation out there that love the modified cars of the 20's to the '50's. I just don't think they should be blown off. It's got to start somewhere. There is no reason why we can't help them out and at the same time explain what vcca is all about. To me it's just good business. Have a great day all! Cheers!!

John

I think a lot of us share your sentiment John. Unfortunately, sometimes, the quickest to respond, or the most vocal, may not... and that's what some potential new members hear.

The Club's mission is in the front of the magazine. Until we begin to realize REALITY, then the responses that you hear will be TECHNICALLY correct... this is the narrow view of the mission of the club.

Reality? Most VCCA Meets now allow a "modified" class of cars to participate or at least be shown on the judging field. Our mission ignores them. Therein lies our problem.

Hang in there... at some point in time, reality will overtake our bureaucracy.

--Bill Barker, Member

Reality: Most restored cars are modified even if they don't look modified. Even now, many long time members have original cars and modified ones. I welcome both. Let's move on!

"Most VCCA Meets now allow a "modified" class of cars to participate or at least be shown on the judging field."

Right on Billy Boy Barker and what you stated is totally correct. And, this is nothing new. I have seen this trend happening as far back as 1991.

there are probably enough of use regulars here on chatter that have built and own cars that are pure original antique restorations and also have built what were referred to as hot rods when i was a pup. i've always tried to answer "modified related" questions when posted by a newcomer. its called being polite.mike

It has on many occasions amazed me as to how helpful Mike McCagh has been in answering "modified" questions. Granted, according to the VCCA Mission, this isn't a site for modifieds, but as Mike notes in his post, there sure isn't anything wrong with being polite.

Further, who is to say the guy asking the "modified" question doesn't also have a bone stock restored-to-original vintage Chevy in the same garage?? Maybe the guy is even a VCCA member. I'd say it's pretty stupid not to help him out. (It may be more PC to say it's short sighted not to help him out.)

But then many feel this club is short sighted in many areas.

Before "we" start, let's again hope somebody makes some kind of a motion or gets something done so there's a "VCCA members only" portion to this great chat room so we can keep our linens and things to ourselves. Or is that what necessitates an active electronic data base..... oh my, what a vicious circle.

Incidentally, nice to see a guy like McCagh hit 1000 posts. Way to go!

Bill.

thanks Bill(s). mike

You betcha, Mike!!

"Little" Bill.

Just to let you know how being nice can be sometimes, I responded to a guy in Deleware who was rodding out a '31 chev coupe and advertized some parts on the VCCA Chat Site. He said he had a lot of parts including the front splash pan for the radiator, 4 rims with two good tires, a motor with 35000 miles on it , rear & front fenders in pretty good shape, no rust,and a few other things. I missed out on the motor because someone advertized for one a few days before he posted. He gave me a very fair price after getting some price information from a guy in Washington who wanted the front fenders and I didn't need. I said OK and then he said he had a few more parts he'd throw in for a couple of hundered bucks more but don't mention it on VCCA because some of the old timers would hate him for rodding it out. When the trucker picked them up and got back I had 2 rims with two very good tires plus 3 rims with 3 good tires, the complete rearend and drive shaft, front axel complete with good brake linings, bumperetes for back, front bumper, gas tank and radiator splash covers, spare tire bracket, plus many other parts which I didn't know I was getting. When I called him back I said he only mentioned 2 good tires and 4 rims and he said he found an extra rim and tire and said only 2 good tires because he didn't want to mislead that the other 3 were good. When he found out I had a son in Viginia, he invited me up for a visit so I could meet him, his wife, and family when I go see my son . I think he's in the early 30's. Also we are going to email pictures of our cars back and forth. Oh yes, the great guy he said he talked to in Washington is getting the 2 front fenders when we meet in Grand Junction. He also has informed me if he finds the hub caps and other parts, they are mine. I just made another great friend from belonging on the Chat Site.

Like I allways say, rodders are a great place to find original parts.

I think some of the fears that the oldtimers have are based on the reasoning that modified folks usually destroy what they hold dear to their hearts. Some rodders do, some don't.

I've said before that the guy with the '55 parked next to me at a show is into the same thing as me. We are both motor heads and live for our cars. Just because his Chevy has a 4 speed, some chrome on the engine and SS wheels does not mean he is my enemy. He most likely knows more about his car than I do about mine.

I see no reason why the VCCA won't allow modified Chevy's on the same field as our pure stock cars.

If I ever get the chance to buy a modified '55, I'm gonna do it! But, I guess that's against the rules so I can never share it with all you guys. That's a shame.

Here is my take on why we keep it members only. Imagine what it would take to plan an event with open registration for members, non-members, modifieds, street rods and etc. There will probably be 500 Chevrolets at Grand Junction.

Where do you make the cut off? How about Edsels if they have stock Chevy running gear? It's a logistics nightmare as it is to only invite the membership and you don't have to advertise anywhere else besides our newsletter.

I think it's up to each member to promote the mission statement of our club and recruit new members through local events and driving their Chevys.

Roger

Well, sometimes we need to accept the fact that VCCA isn't for everyone with a oldtimmey car and a couple of nickles to rub together.

Ain't you glad that....

birds of a feather... flock together! I like it like this.....! We just need a bunch more like us.

OPEN STATEMENT:
"The guy with the '55 parked next to me at a show is into the same thing as me. We are both motor heads and live for our cars. Just because his Chevy has a 4 speed, some chrome on the engine and SS wheels does not mean he is my enemy. He most likely knows more about his car than I do about mine."

LIMITING STATEMENT:
"Here is my take on why we keep it members only............"

SILLY STATEMENT:
"How about Edsels if they have stock Chevy running gear....."

BRIGHTEST STATEMENT:
"Hang in there, at some point in time, reality will overtake our bureaucracy."

Holy Cow,

Now we are sike-o-analyzin the posts. Wow!!

I like the club being for old stock Chevs!!

Hot Rods are cool, just not here. Twin pipes ok, but that's about it.

Oliver