VCCA Home Forums GENERAL DISCUSSION Forum Questions Do you think the VCCA should update its logo?

Does one have to be a member to answer the poll or are guests able to do so? The poll doesn't seem to reflect the views of most of those articulating their reasoning.

George

I joined the club because I had a reason and a interest to learn about Chevys....Had to scroll to the top of the page to refresh myself on what the logo looked like????chef-

Around here we are hard pressed to see anything older than 1996 on the road. Also the word Vintage and old have entire different meaning when asked to a 24 year old. To a 24 year old that 1980 Chevy is Vintage, and also very old to him/her. My 60 Chevy was a new car when this club was formed, and some members still view it as such, too bad! When my 60 Impala was made I was in diapers, and I feel far from new, but the car is in better shape than me!
John

In Southern Oregon it is very common to see 1949 to 1972 pickups on the road daily. There are lots of them around and folks are driving the trucks back and forth to work, not to mention using them for farm duties and etc. Also, there are zillions of 1973 and up Chevy pickups still on the road here as well. As far as passenger cars go, from the 1970's through the mid 1990's they are being used for daily transportation. Heck, my wife still drives her 1969 Impala back and forth to work every day, and there are several more of the same year being used on a daily basis for transportation too. Usually, most folks don't even give them a second glance either since older vehicles on the road in this area are a fairly common occurrence. :eek: :eek:

I joined the VCCA because of it's mission statement which is on page one of every issue of the G&D , just below the logo; "Dedicated to the Preservation and Restoration of Chevrolets" The older the car, the more I feel it should be kept original. No matter what make it is. Those of us up here in the land of ice and snow(A.K.A. sand & salted winter roads)don't see many cars twenty years old in junk yards let alone on the road. My '93 Z-24 & my '86 Caddy are old here. My '26 Superior is ancient. It really turns heads when I take it on the road. The Logo is just fine, but if it changes that's ok, as long as our mission doesn't change.

I also come from "the land of ice and snow and SALT" of PA and I get excited when I see a clean, rust free car or truck pre 1990. But my vision of vintage (in the case of this club) pretains to any classic car or truck, therefore I think that the logo should not change.

Bob, I think that if all of us would take your view of Vintage It would really explain what my perception of VCCA is all about,

People young and old alike,that all have an appreciation of preserving, restoring, driving, showing and seeing Chevrolets of the past in their original new condition and beauty getting together to further that appreciation and purpose.

Here is the only change I WOULD make to the logo.

1. Keep the logo as is.

2. Inside the logo where the car is, make that white field, RED.

3. Make the lettering in the logo yellow.

We now have the same logo, with a new look.
And it now resembles the old genuine chevrolet parts signs that used to hang in dealerships!!!

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Has anyone thought about why our memberships numbers are dropping? You need to think this through first and ask why someone decided to join the corvair club over the VCCA. Here is a good point, in 1961 how many Chevrolet clubs were around? Zero is the answer, not until Fred Upshaw and Jim Westbrokes and a few other people saw a need. Now you have maybe 10 or 15 Chevrolet clubs, which most started from the ranks of the VCCA. For example the late great Chevrolet club. What we need to find out is what we are not offering to these people. Also we need to advertise the club more, it is half our problem that we are not more in the public eye. Everyone knows the Hells Angels right? Why, they are in the public eye. We need to advertise more and promote the club like my region does every year at our Portland Swap Meet, which is this weekend. We also have one of the largest regions in the VCCA. This is how we should be working things and then thinking about what needs to change after we know what is broken. Xerox just change there logo, I work for them and it was only after some market research was done.

I can see a major problem picking what the new logo would look like.

Like Ray said, If it's not broke, don't fix it. Fix what is broke.

1)To go along with what 32 Confederate said in the Restoration Pack I received from Chevrolet there is a list of 67 clubs for Chevrolet owners. I am sure there are others not listed.

2)Cruise inns are free, no membership, no dues but they get together every week for fun and fellowship.

3)Something I have seen in VCCA all to often. A new person comes around and the first thing that happens is people start telling them what is wrong with their vehicle. I don't mean to start promoting modified vehicles but most of the other Chevrolet clubs do.

I have always felt quality is better than quantity in membership. We don't need to lower our standards to get larger. Just be more friendly and inviting.

See you down the back roads.

I definately agree with both of you (32confederate and Back Roads) in that you definately need to advertise more if you want more members. I just happened to stumble across it on the internet one day by accident! Back Roads, I also agree that quality is better than quantity, but I don't think that you guys could possibly be any nicer! Anytime I ever had a question, about 50 guys would answer it in here! I really dont think that there is a better place to talk or share information about Chevys (or other things) than this site or at any VCCA show or meeting. If I had any money I would join the VCCA (I could not afford the dues until now because I had no job) Just advertise it a little more.

It really does not matter to me one way or the other if the logo changes. Because the logo changes it does not mean we change, we are still the same people. Here is a thought, think how many different bowtie logos Chevrolet had used since 1960. Pretty much the same logo, but not really. The bottom line it is still a Chevrolet regardless of the logo.

In reply to 32 Confederate as to why the Late Great (I hate that nick name)Guys are not here is because when those cars were gaining in popularity this club went from accepting cars that were 15 years to 25 years. When I joined the club in the late 70's my 56 Belair was not even 25 years old, but was accepted.(By the way the car was older than me!) I feel that people who get turned away and told to come back in a few years will never come back.

John

John I agree, And if the reason for changeing the logo is to change the culture of the club I say forget it, but if you have a good reason, like maybe to give the club's advertizing a new look, fine, Remember it is like John said "We is who we is". I think if we are going to attract younger members we have to make some additions in order to expand culture, I think we will be able to do that, but change what we have established as our culture is another story.
Take the Lone Star Region for instance, We have had a logo change, most of us like it , our monthly meetings is held at the Arlington Senior Center on Sunday afternoons at 2:30 PM We have a business meeting, a program geared towards our interests, then we drive to a different local eating establishment, and we have been doing this forever... Is that a detriment to younger folks? Maybe, maybe not,
We do have some younger members and some are walkins, from our outreach efforts, and some are our family second and third generation, by family, LSR feels that our club is a family. We have pretty much leveled off at around 80 to 85 members the last several years.I feel that any pilot to improve or make some additions to our culture should begin in the regions with the full support of the National board of Directors.Maybe do different pilots at different areas and regions, if one or more of the new additions work try expanding them on a National effort.

How about an add-on tag line patch or sticker that could be put right under (glued or sewn on) the current logo patch saying "25 years old or older"?

Interesting question. I'm a new VCCA member and didn't join because of the logo. The organization was recommended to me by an existing member who saw some photos of my 48 Fleetline and suggested being a member of the club could be helpful to me in the restoration of my Fleetline.I was also very impressed by the friendliness of members who were on a tour last fall in my home state of Vermont. Folks with a common interest and the willingness to pass on information in a sincere manner make a club work, and that, as in my case, is what brought me to become a member of VCCA....not a pretty logo.

What if we accepted any Chevrolet? Yes, brand new ones! Up to 25 years old they would be in the drivers class. After that they could opt for drivers class, judging classes or HPOCF. Would that help?

The Board has investigated the loss of membership on several times. Despite many efforts to retain more only ~20% renew. After 10 years ~10% remain members and they typically remain members the rest of their lives.

If our goal were to be the largest Chevrolet club then we would need to make many changes. But, if we want to be the only one dedicated to the preservation and restoration then we just need to continually make improvements to what we already do well.

Good idea Chip offen the old block! Then we could do a bright multicolor computer graphic macho logo.. and rename the club...

The VAAEOCCA....

(The Vintage And Any Other Chevrolet Club of America!)


I can't wait to come up with a new it covers all tour...The All American, European,Canadian and Downunder,Annual Overhead Valve Chevrolet Tour! (Limited to 40 cars!, BYOB) brang your own bugler.

The logo could be improved but its not a deterent to getting new members.to get new members into our club we have to look outside the club.we have to be involved in mixed makes events and advertise our benefits.promoting our club activities to expose our benefits will help us find members who have similar goals.we could also benefit from having a membership commitee who could concentrate their efforts in helping regions promote membership enrollment-with the number of regions we have and all the various events I think the region directors are overextended-if we are going to expand into the future we need to "map" where we are going,instead of all of us going in different directions hoping we will get there,wherever "there"is.

I don't see why if you are talking about sponsering a show or meet,since we profess to be a Chevrolet club and you can't even use the word F0RD here without being tricky,
Those that want to do so, probably do so out of necessity maybe they are too small a club to stand on their own, that is ok, but it should be the local club members' choice, not something "We have to do".

There is a problem with accepting all Chevrolets as I see it. I attended a Cadillac meet, as a spectator, a few years ago. They accept all Cadillacs no matter the age. Most of the cars I saw were in the 50s, 60s, and 70s. There was only one pre WW II car which was a 1941. Where were all the old Cadillacs? I see lots of them on VMCCA and AACA national tours. Would accepting Chevrolets newer than 25 years push the older cars to other clubs? I don't know. Just posing the question.

See you down the back roads.

Speaking from the opinion of a 20 year old college student, something does have to be done to attract more people my age into this club. I was brought into the club through my father and grew up with the VCCA, however to anybody else in my position, the VCCA might appear as a primarily brass era organziation [which is not the case. Although it was jokingly said to let brand new cars in, someone my age cannot afford to get involved with the "modern" cars. And the much older cars are just to unrealistic as we need something that will double as an everyday vehicle. We have become to be in the market of 70's and 80's vehicles. It is something that needs to be considered as 30 years from now people my age are the future of this club and we need to find a way to be drawn in.

Go ahead and do what you can with those 70s and early 80s cars, They are welcome as long as they are 25 years old and appear to be in stock condition. I have seen several on locally sponsered tours that were not quite stock, but hardly any one has said anything as long as they fit the age brackets and were stock appearing from the side of the road.

Like you said, we need to do something to attract more members, both the old and the young. I started to say 'The young and the restless' but I thought I already heard someone say "DUCK..Incomeing!

We definately need more young people in this hobby. Just today I showed a couple of my friends a picture of my '46 and '40 (which are really clean and straight, but need restored) and their reply was "why would you want those rusty pieces of junk?" I swear that if we weren't in school I would break their jaws! And besides, what am I going to do when I get in my 40's and 50's when all of the older Chevy guys are dead? Probably talk to myself!

MR mack-I shall try to explain my comments-Consider the following scenario-In my area there is a large auto flea market and car show once a month every month from April to October.Three or four of our local members set up booths as vendors.There are around 200-300 vehicles on display.There are many makes and a mix of custom and stock vehicles.This I feel is an excellent place to get involved and advertise our club.You are correct we don't "have to " do anything-however like our cars we can go forward , backward or just stand still-If we "want" to increase our membership attending such a place is like going fishing-"pick a good spot and use some bait on the hook".

Thanks for the explanation, I did not understand you statement, I was thinking along the lines of having a VCCA sanctioned event and also calling in other makes to join in on the competition and displays, judging and scoreing.
It is a good idea to attend those swap meets, distribute flyers for your VCCA events. Also I understood you thought that our clubs should "Have to look outside the club" allow, or invite owners of other makes to join our local and national clubs and events and that we must join their events. I guess erred.