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I like to make a suggestion for the forum. Bill I belong to quite a few antique car and truck forums. One thing I would like to see in here is a paint section. You have sheet metal and wood, also interior but not a specific forum topic for just paint. It would be great to have a runner for just paint realted questions. Tell me what you think ole buddy. :p :p

Hi Mudbug-
The Body - Sheet Metal & Wood category covers paint too. It is an all-inclusive category for everything that falls under the bodywork category.
Post your questions here and we'll all try to help!



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I saw the etc and noticed some paint articles in there. I just noticed that people in the forums have a tendency not to keep replying once a question has been answered a couple times. I saw another chevy forum with just a paint runner going and it seemed to work quite well for answers to the questions asked with quite a few good replies. I have been referred to Jim Carter quite a few times. However that does not answer my question on paint matches. I don't want to pay over 90 dollars a gallon for paint to give to my painter. I want to be able to cross the numbers and match it to the paint I want sprayed on my truck. I am looking for the proper color matches to 234M which is boatswain blue, argent silver and totem scarlet. That is for my 46 pickup. Also what is the match to the black on my fenders?

Hi Mudbug-
There are a number of places to find the matches to your codes, but the accuracy largely depends on the brand of paint that you are using, and how good an eye you or your painter has. Every company has it's own match library, and some are more accurate than others. Go to your local NAPA store and ask if they have older chip books to look through. Even newer books sometimes have references to earlier chips that were used in previous years.
To cross the 234M code for a paint formula, call the paint manufacturer's library and they will tell you. Every paint jobber and sprayer has those phone numbers. Keep in mind that most of the paint manufacturers (unless they were the originator- i.e. Dupont) match colors the same way you and I would- They compare the old chip with newer chips from Toyota, Ford, or wherever, and pick the one that they think is closest. As they say... that is in the eye of the beholder, and if you have a better eye than them you will come up with a better match. I have run across that problem myself. This is how Jim Carter and everyone else does it, but by doing it yourself you have more control over the accuracy of the match.

The Color Library Phone # for PPG, my preferred paint system, is 216-572-6100.



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Hey mudguy....(?).... I like your idea... paint is definately something that has lots of questions targeted specifically to it...

A while back we had a huge discussion on adding additional forums... Here is a link to that:
How many forums should we have??

We are going to hold for a little while longer until the number of postings increase and the interest base expands such that we really need to segregate our topics more. So for now, the suggestion to post paint discussions in the BODY section is a good one.

A new thought
I always wondered why VCCA didn't have it's own library where this kind of info was already stored... seems to me that a whole bunch of people are always chasing down info that has already been researched by someone else. Maybe someone would volunteer to collect and format that info... and someone else would post it to a permanent VCCA-hosted location online.

Sounds great to me Bill. It would be nice to get all the members to tell the paint codes and matches and have a collection people could easily access. It wouldn't be hard to get a webpage for just that and anyone viewing the page could add their model and year chevy's paint and match code to the list. :love:

Good idea, we have a paint Advisor but he doesn't have a email address or I just don't know what it is. I have a Duco Paint Specifications Book from Chevrolet for Jan 29 - Jan 34 Inclusive which list the color comb. for all modles with the orig. Duco paint #'s and I have some of the new #'s for Acme and R-M paints for the listed Duco colors. The paint Advisor is Ray Winstead at 336-599-5155. I would be willing to answer any paint comb. question with the paint combinations for specific body sections and wheels for 29 - 34 if anyone would like.

Kirk

This matching paint question is something I've gone through doing my 51 in Forester green and although I've got the PPG code for that color I think your best bet for a good match is to actually take a piece of the original to the jobber and have them match it. Perhaps the cowl vent which was often protected from the weather and not painted during a repaint.I also wonder how much the different assy. plants matched colors 50 or 60 years ago. This was before computerized mixers and robot painters. I would be very surprised if a vehicle built in Flint in October would be an exact match to a vehicle built in L.A. in June.Just a personal opinion.

Paint varied from plant to plant .I was painter at a Chevrolet agency we encountered a big difference even on the same new car.The front dog house was painted at one factory the body at a different one .they were sometimes two seperate colors so we refinished many new cars .the worst color was crocus yellow ,I remember that real well because that and black was the combo on my new chevy.
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BILL, BILLY BOY BARKER, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE A SITE JUST FOR PAINT. THIS IS A IMPORTANT PART OF RESTORATION AND MANY MANY DIFFERENT SEGMENTS PERTAINING TO PAINT WOULD BE A PERFECT PLACE TO GO RIGHT TO, ON OUR FORUM. HOPE YOU CAN MAKE IT WORK. IT SHOULD BE EASY FOR YOU BEING A REAL COMPUTER WHIZ. THANKS :eek: :eek:

Simple solution would be to add the word "Paint" to the "Body and Sheet Metal" section.

lil' johnny-
I agree with your comments on paint. When I volunteered to moderate the Body forum, I assumed that it included bodywork and paint- it makes sense that they should be one category, and I'm not exactly being overwhelmed by the number of posts lately (Come on guys, wouldn't it be great to be able to tell those folks at car shows that you did that nice spay job yourself?). As for the paint codes, I also agree that they are best addressed under the model and year of the vehicle. A paint library is a good idea in theory, but as I said in an earlier post, every paint company has their own idea of what the correct match is, and that may not be very close to the original color. If someone determines a match for the library, and he happens to have a "bad" eye, the incorrect match will be taken as gospel just because it is in the VCCA Library. I do think a Library is a good goal that should be pursued and managed very carefully, but agreement on the final result is not going to be easy.



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Okay... I like it!! Paint is now added to the body section... and I'll even post a note to start it off!!

Lil Johnny do you have the PPG or RM number for Totem Scarlet and Argent Silver?

Mudbug-
Is your dialing finger broken?

PPG Color Library Phone 216-572-6100.



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I wouldn't be asking if I hadn't tried calling Speedline. The number you gave me doesn't even exist. I also called PPG directly and they do not even have an extension for the color library. They are supposed to call me back when they find something. :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Guys,

Found this info.

PPG has a help line, 1 800-245-2590, ask for the "Color Library" they can lookup just about any PPG code and cross reference it to something else, ie, GM.

I found this number for the PPG Color library
440-572-6100.

Chevykid-
Thanks for that. The number that I posted was the same except for the area code. They must have changed it from 216 to 440 recently. I had the tech # with an old area code, too, but I like your 800 # better! I'll file that with my PPG books.

MrMack-
That was exactly my point. Matching old codes with any accuracy depends entirely on the good or bad judgment and artistic ability of the person doing the matching.


Oh, and Mudbug...You're welcome.



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No Problem.

Last time I talked to the VCCA Paint Advisor he only wanted to sell me the paint. He would not give me the formulation or modern equivalent. I don't understand why he is still the Advisor. :confused:

ChevyChip, I had the same problem when I tried to get some paint info from the paint Advisor. He provided no info just the price of the paint I was looking for information on. :confused:

I too have to agree. I have received numerous complaints from fellows who have contacted the paint advisor for information on what would be the correct color for their cars only to be told that they would have to purchase a quart of paint to get a paint sample of the color that they were inquiring about. Most fellows don't want to spend lots of money for paint without knowing what the color looks like.....since they might not like the color after they view it. :( :( :confused:

I'd say it time to raid his house, steal the documentation and get a new paint advisor. What good is someone who is only advising you to buy paint. Sounds like a money making deal to me. I called and he never answered so maybe I'm the lucky one.

Maybe you just need more "advisors" to cover such a broad time span of cars and trucks?

Ok guys write this down. I just looked in a Chevrolet restoration guide and Argent Silver is the same silver used on rally wheels. OEM paint number is 12311020. I'm still looking for the Totem scarlet, which appears to be a bright red or blood colored red. PPG told me they do not have a match for it and that they need a color sample to get it. Now I have found a Scarlet striping tape kit for 47-54 trucks. That is through Chevy-Duty. The part number is 46-904. Their website is www.chevyduty.com. I think this will be the closest match I can find for my 46. Thanks to all who pitched in for the help and maybe someone else out there will not have to do so much research to get their truck painted. E-mail me if you fellows have any questions. :eek: :eek: