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Hi,
To make my problem more 'understandable', I made a pic showing what I mean.
How can I add this here?
Or is there someone, whom I can mail it.
It's in relation to the Sheemetal of my 1 1/2 ton Truck of 1929.
Regards
Marc

Hi Marc29.

You can make your picture viewable on this website, but you have to have it located on a web server somewhere else.

If you have personal web space, you can post it there, then come back to this forum and enter a new reply to this topic. When you are typing that reply, check the "Instant UBB Code" to the lower left, and click "IMAGE". Follow the instructions that come up and it should work. You can check to see if it worked by punching the "Preview Post" button... your picture should show inside your message.


If you don't have personal web space, or don't know how to use it, just E-mail the picture to me and I'll put it on my web host and show it here. I"ll keep it there for you for a while.

Lenn

OK Marc, I shrunk your picture down to 640 x 480, which is still large enough for everyone to see. It takes less space and downloads quicker. You can probably set your camera to this resolution (it's what I use when I take pictures of my trucks for documentation). I also used a photo editor to add the diamond plate image. You can probably do this the same way you added the letters "A" and "B".

Here's your picure:



And here's Marc's questions:

Hi Lenn,
Thanks for your offer!!
I mail you here a pic of the car and a pic of the type of sheet metal as is put on.
Is this original or a later transformation?
Regards
Marc


My question is:
Which is the structure or texture of the sheet metal of which part A is made?
Is there a reproduction available for parts A and B?

Many greetings from Luxembourg (Europe)

First there are no reproductions that I know of for 1931-32 part A. Second the original truck running boards (except deluxe 1/2 ton) are all metal with elongated raised diamond pattern. I can tell for sure by the photo but looks correct. The splash apron has a depression on the horizontal face (90 deg. from the running board) that basically is 3/4" (or so, I didn't measure it) inside the top edge or fender or running board. It is the same basic shape as the 29-30 passenger. The splash aprons are available as reproductions from Howell Sheet Metal in Nederland, TX or other reproduction part dealers. Howell makes them. David is a into F#$& parts big time but makes a few Chevy parts. He is civil to us Chevy owners and even buys lunch sometimes.

Hey ChevyChip...

Marc wrote:

It's in relation to the Sheemetal of my 1 1/2 ton Truck of 1929.

I suspect your answers would still be the same.

Would the pattern be the same as is on my '31 1/2 ton? If so, I can send Marc a picture of it...

Hi,
First of all, thank you for the advice.

Am I right, you name the type of sheet metal as in the small pic 'metal with elongated raised diamond pattern'?
Is it so?What means :The splash apron has a depression on the horizontal face (90 deg. from the running board) that basically is 3/4" (or so, I didn't measure it) inside the top edge or fender or running board??
Is it possible to set some pics here in or to mail me some?

Then you say that the splash aprons are available as reproductions from Howell Sheet Metal in Nederland, TX or other reproduction part dealers.
Is Nederland a town in the USA?
Or do you mean Nederland=Holland in Europe?

I don't understand what you want to say with:
' Howell makes them. David is a into F#$& parts big time but makes a few Chevy parts. He is civil to us Chevy owners??
Are that parts dealers and if so, where are they located?

Greetings from Luxembourg!
(Small country: ca. 50 miles from north to south and 35 from east to west.)

Marc

Marc, Nederland is a suburb of Port Authur, Texas. Port Authur is near the Texas and Louisanna border ,just a few miles from the Gulf of Mexico.

Hello Marc.

Both ChevyChip and MrMack live in Texas. Assuming they both have lived there more than 1 year, they have began to speak "Texan", which is difficult even for anyone but Texan's to understand. On the bright side, "Texan" is a very expressive language... they have a word for everything!

I think I can help, but we'll need an expert like ChevyChip to confirm the "facts":

First a few definitions:
* "Splash Apron" is our term for part "B".
* "Running Board" is our term for part "A"
* "Diamond Plate" is our name for the pattern you show in the inset photograph. (I don't think your truck should have the exact pattern you show, it is used in industrial construction.)
* "F#$&" is the proper spelling (and Texan pronounciation) of a poor grade/make of american "automobile"
* "Civil to us Chevy owners" means he doesn't spit on us or through our parts in the crusher.

Maybe someone can confirm that your '29 1.5 ton running boards and splash aprons should look something like the one's on my '31 1/2 ton:



Sorry for the dark photos, it is overcast in Utah today. You can see the depressions in the Splash Apron if you look carefully.



I've marked up your picture again to show the features I am looking at to make the assertiion that your truck has the "elongated, raised diamond pattern", check it out above.


Both of these photos show the raised, elongated diamond pattern and the "depression on the horizontal face " that I believe is typical of these years.

Any TA's out there, please correct me if I'm wrong on any of these items (I assume MrMack is the unofficial TA for the "Texan' language).

Hope this helps,

Lenn.

Marc,
Sorry for the "Texan".

Lenn,
Thanks for the photos and translation. It is right on (sorry correct).

The last time I was in Luxembourg was 1987. Sure is one nice place though a bit different from Texas.

The 1929-32 131" wheel base trucks are very similar. The running boards and splash aprons are the same. The fenders appear the same but have a couple of small differences. The radiator aprons for the '29 & '30s are different than the '31-2s. The "LT" was produced for almost the entire '31 production year with the "M" series truck produced the last five or six weeks of production.

The photos show the raised elongated diamond pattern on the running boards. The depression shows best in the second photo.

Howell Sheet Metal is indeed located in the former Republic of TEXAS, now the state of Texas located in the United States. Nederland is a small community about 90 miles east of Houston near the Lousiana border. Contact David at dhowell@fordor.com and tell him Chip recommended him. He will be suprised! He is a real nice guy and has been a friend for many many years.

They have a website Howell Sheet Metal Click on the online catalog and then at the bottom of the page click on the page for "Non Ford Sheetmetal" Scroll down to part number RBS-1929-CTT which is the splash aprons for your truck. They are listed as running board shields which is a Ford term.

Let me know if you have any problems.

Hi Lenn,
Hi Chevychip,

Thanks, now I can claim to know at least some texan words!!!

The 'diamond pattern' seeable on Lenn's pics is exactly as those on my chevy truck.
I will now look if I can find this on the site you gave.
You said: You can see the depressions in the Splash Apron if you look carefully.
What do you mean by this?
Is that the form that was pressed in?

Chevychip says:
I can tell for sure by the photo but looks correct. The splash apron has a depression on the horizontal face (90 deg. from the running board) that basically is 3/4" (or so, I didn't measure it) inside the top edge or fender or running board.
Uff, uff difficult for me to see what he wants to show??

On my truck it will be difficult to localise exactly where the front fender ends and where the runningboard begins, because this area has partly rusted away and because it has already been welted.Do you have an indication helping to localise ?
Do you know how the junction between front fender and runningboard has been made, are there screws or?


Marc, deeply sad of what happened with Columbia and crew, yesterday.

It sure was a tragedy.

The depression in the splash apron is pressed into the sheet metal ~ 1/8" deep. Howell uses a set of dies to press it in. The apron screws (with 1/4"x20tpi round head machine screws, flat & lock washer and square nut aka "stove bolt") to the inside lip of the front fender and running board. There are slots cut into the apron to allow small adjustment.

The rear of the front fender screws with stove bolts to the front of the running board. Large head carriage bolts (aka elevator bolts) are used with washers and square nuts to attach the running boards to the arms.

When you position the three pieces (fender, running board, splash apron) you will see alignment and be able to determine what is missing. If you are missing the front edge of the running board or rear edge of the fender then fabrication or replacement parts will be needed. The mating edges are bent 90 degrees from the top surface, just like the back and inside edge of the running board.

Hello again Marc. Since we are having trouble communicating what ChevyChip means by "depression", I've modified the pictures above to point them out. This along with ChevyChip's explaination should help.

Also, I checked and you will only be able to find the splash aprons (part "B") at Howell Sheet Metal. If you need running boards, you'll probably have to find them used.

I almost hate to mention it, but Robert ("Bob") McNeil [bbhmcneil@worldnet.att.net] of Denver, Colorado (USA) might have a set (including running boards and splash aprons), in fact he might have anything you need as he has access to a farm that has old Chevy parts. Be careful to tell him the wheelbase of your truck though, because you could end up with the wrong stuff at a very high price. Bob is into F%$#s, but he isn't shy about making money off of Chevy guys. Also, you could post a "Parts Wanted" ad here on this chat site, or on Hemmings.

Good Luck, I hope we've explained this now, I also think and speak in slang, so it's tough communicating with others in english.

Hi,
Chevychip, Lenn,
In the last 2 days, I tried to get more informations of D. Howell for the parts.
Once I got a short reply indicating the price that was also in the online catalog.
But I asked him to mail me a pic and some diomensions to be sure what buying and bringing over to Europe.
There I got no answer!
Once again, thanks for your precious help.
If you are once over here, give a sign.
A drink is waiting.
Perhaps even a ride in the chevy, if finished.
Marc

I forgot one thing.
My mail to Bob Mc Neil staied also without any reply.
Marc

Hi,
Once again me!
I'm busy, it's 10 p.m. here!
The chairman of the chevy clubb of Norge, a very helpful guy gave me the adress of :
Mooney's Antique Chevrolet Parts, HCO1 Box 645 C, Highway 59 No., Goodrich, TX 77335, Tlf:004-936-365-2899, Fax: 00-1-936-685-4711
Does someone know more?
He might also be able to 'deliver' the parts I need.
Has someone the mail adress of this ?
Regards
Marc

Mooney's has been in business in Texas for several years and they usualy advertise in Hemmings Magazine. Goodrich is about 50 miles North of Houston, Texas

Several years? How about 30 years?? At least.......it seems like 30 years anyway.

JYD, I've been trying to help Marc with leads on parts for this truck... Do you have a contact at Reynolds Museum?

Here is the info. on Reynold's Museum:

How To Contact Us

Phone: 780-361-1351; Toll Free: 1-800-661-4726
Fax: 780-361-1239
ram@gov.ab.ca
Reynolds-Alberta Museum
P.O. Box 6360
Wetaskiwin, Alberta, Canada
T9A 2G1

Mooney gets his parts from Howell. I think you will get better response from David than Charlie Mooney. I have known both of them for over 20 years. It may take a while for pictures as I am not sure what kind of camera he might have.

Yeah JYD, to me an old codger, 30 years is several years!.......I guess a couple young whipper snappers like you and Chip think 30 years are more than several?

Hey Marc, thanks for the offer of a drink. Keep in touch, I might take you up on it sometime!

Hi Lenn,
And ????????????? my offer for a ride in the Chevy.
??
Marc

Sorry... the ride would also be great! Does it run now? My wife want's me to take her to France, I want to go to Italy. Maybe when we do go to France we can stop by for a bit, it would make France more interesting to me.

If you were to come to Utah, you could drive the '31 (at least around the block). It is still holding together, awaiting it's turn in the garage!

hey marc29 where is Koerich? I have a nice Michelin map of Luxembourg but can't find it. My wife is half Luxembourger, and so I assume is related to everyone in the country (except the Portuguese).