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Posting this thread as a result of questions in a different thread:

First, a wee bit of history (everyone's favorite subject - unless it might be math or physics wink )

Through the 1925 model year, Chevrolet at various times used Carter, Detroit Lubricator (Stewart), Holley, Marvel, Stromberg, and Zenith carburetors.

By 1926, Chevrolet had settled on one manufacturer of carburetors - Carter

WHY?

Sometime in the early 1920's, Chevrolet wanted to build some of the carburetors themselves in their Bay City plant. Carter was the only carburetor manufacturer that would allow Chevrolet to do this.

The Chevrolet built carburetors are easily identifiable from their Carter cousins by the large letter "C" cast into the casting. Updraft carburetor had the "C" as a prefix to the carburetor type. As an example the most common of the Carter updrafts used by Chevrolet is the RJH-08 used in 1929 (136s) and 1930-31 (150s). These carburetors built in the Bay City plant would have the cast identification of C-RJH-08. And these carburetors were tagged with the identification number; however the original updraft tags were red cardboard, and few have survived. I have only seen one. And before someone corrects me that they have a RJH-08 with a 150s brass tag, please be advised the carbs were continued to be produced as "service replacement carbs" after the production year. Those produced in 1932 and later would have the brass tag. Those carburetors built by Carter would have the Carter part number; while those carburetors produced by Chevrolet would have the Chevrolet part number.

The W-1 carburetors had the large "C" separate from the type;

Bay City produced W-1

Both the large "C" and the "W-1" are shown in the above picture.

Why is the above information important (to many, it may not be) wink

However, to those who are trying to restore a vehicle as correctly as possible, the Carter tag (example 574s) would be found only on castings WITHOUT the large "C"; whereas, the Chevrolet tag (using the same example 839987) would be found only on the castings with the large "C".

The Carter tags will have a 3 or 4 digit number, followed by the letter "S". In Carterspeak, there were parts, and there were assemblies. An idle mixture screw is a single part, thus a common idle mixture screw might be 30A-81 (no "S"); whereas a fuel valve (a.k.a. needle and seat) might be 25-33s. The fuel valve is an "assembly" of multiple parts - the seat, the valve, and the gasket. Most enthusiasts eliminate the "S" when referring to the carburetor identification number (computers do not like a letter in a numeric field); but the "S" would be on the tag.

The Carter tags in various years, might carry other information, such as:

Date code - in the format month year. Thus A7 would be produced in January of some year ending in 7 (maybe 1947). B=February, C=March, etc.
Individual quality control stamp - most common are an 8-pointed star, and a half moon.
Final inspection control stamp - generally a two digit number (the final inspector's number) stamped at a 45 degree angle to other information.
An engineering status stamp - if a modification significant enough that it warranted note, but not sufficiently significant to warrant a new ID number, the letter "S" would be appended to the "S". I cannot recall seeing one of these on a W-1, but trying to cover all bases.

I have fewer Chevrolet tags, but the ones I have indicate: the date code, the individual quality stamp, and the final quality stamp. However, the final quality stamp was a character (half moon etc.) rather than a number.

More information on Carter W-1's used on Chevrolet may be found here:

Article on Carter Chevrolet W-1 carburetors

I probably missed something in this post. If I did, feel free to ask. I am still trying to get out from under that "shade tree", and need more posts wink

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Jon,
Thanks. That is more carb info than most of us ever thought we wanted to know. Really interesting though and great to have as reference.
You came to my house, in Columbia MO, many years ago and took home a few cores, probably '29-'31 stuff, or maybe some odd balls, but I'm not sure.
I always enjoy your posts here. Keep it up. Perhaps one day you can be considered as much a "blabber mouth" as some of the rest of us.

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Mike - I honestly don't remember, but then with all the carburetors I have purchased over the years, it would overload my memory to remember them all. Sorry.

Seemingly in a different lifetime, when local clubs were more active, I used to give carburetor seminars at some of the local clubs. I know I did at least one in Jefferson City, and think I did one in Columbia; but these would have been maybe 30~35 years ago. May have visited you in conjunction with one of the seminars.

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Jon,

I'm getting a headache.

Nonetheless, thanks for this information.

I hope I get right enough to avoid any embarasssing errors on any car I ever, if ever, I have one judged.

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I have a 1932 . My Carter carb has a number tag with 5V 187C over 222F,.
On the front it has a D instead of a C and number 114 A(J) over 121.
Any information on what theses numbers mean?
Jim G
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Jim - can you email me some pictures?

carbqueen@sbcglobal.net

Prior to looking at pictures (in other words, GUESSING wink )

Carter made a type DW-1 for export (mostly used by Volvo). They are exceptionally rare in the USA (I think I have one or two somewhere). They look almost identical to the W-1 castings of the same year. Never really inspected one closely, as no 1930's Volvo people have contacted me for carburetors. Believe it or not, I have sold a few rebuilding kits for these.

This may be what you have.

EDIT: According to my inventory I have three - 1 Volvo and 2 Cadillac power unit.

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I will send some pictures.
Thanks.
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Received Jim's pictures (thank you Jim), answering here for the benefit of the group.

Jim - I do not know exactly what it is.

I can tell you it is not a DW-1.
I can tell you it is 1941 or newer.
I do not believe it is Chevrolet. A good picture of the throttle arm would help here.

Carter made W-1 carbs for military vehicles by GMC, Pontiac, and Oldsmobile in the GM family, and others such as Hudson. These are quite rare, but years ago, they used to occasionally surface military surplus. I have never owned one of the military Pontiac, Olds, or Hudson units.

GUESSING it might be one of these, with all of the strange stamps on the carb.

If you EVER take it off for rebuilding, I would like to know the flange stamp (if present), and the number on the metering rod.

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Thanks a lot Jon.
Very interesting.
I checked your website and noted it maybe a 1947-48 Frazer with the number 222F that I have on mine.
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Upon further checking I found another brass triangular tag on the back with number 569S which means it is a
1932 - 48 ALL MODELS W/REPL CARB. according to https://www.carbkitsource.com/kits/ck0427.html.
My carb has idle screw at the bottom and that is a model later than 1932 -33 according to Jon.


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Jim - the 569s is a carb using the later body with the 32-36 throttle arm. EXCELLENT choice for a non-judged 1932.

Still don't know about the funny markings.

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