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o·rig·i·nal
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adjective
1.
present or existing from the beginning; first or earliest.
"the original owner of the house"
synonyms: indigenous, native, aboriginal, autochthonous; More
2.
created directly and personally by a particular artist; not a copy or imitation.
"original Rembrandts"
synonyms: first, earliest; More
3.
not dependent on other people's ideas; inventive and unusual.
"a subtle and original thinker"
synonyms: innovative, creative, imaginative, inventive; More
noun
noun: original; plural noun: originals
1.
something serving as a model or basis for imitations or copies.
"the portrait may be a copy of the original"
2.
an eccentric or unusual person.
"he was one of the true originals"
synonyms: individualist, individual, eccentric, nonconformist, free spirit, maverick; More
Origin

Middle English (the earliest use being in the phrase original sin ): from Old French, or from Latin originalis, from origin- (see origin).
Translate original to
Use over time for: origin sin.

While I accept that if, looked at technically, the AACA definition of original as noted by West Peterson, in his article in July/August issue of Antique Automobile and repeated and proceeded him take by posters here on the Chat, to argue otherwise is futile.

Still, it bugs me. For instance my old driver 41 coupe, if considered under the "original" definition would fail. It has every part that came on the vehicle when new. It does not have the same tires, oil in the differential or the transmission, plugs, and other consumables. The fuel pump has been changed for the same type and new springs put in the doors and undercarriage. All the parts exchanged are NOS to the year.

Why does this bug me? If does because one may exchange their engine and choose a 236, 261 or 292 and the public would not likely note the difference. Heck if the hood was not raised one could have a Corvette engine with an automatic transmission and a different ratio differential in it. The owner may even answer queries about the originality as "Yes, it is original, even though the body has been altered to boot.

Then too, the is the subtle difference if one installs 140 oil/grease to the differential when it came from the factory with 85w/90. Recidivous. Especially, when nothing has been ever changed on the car but the oil in the differential. To have such a small thing make such a big difference when it comes to the definition of "original" boggles the mind.

Given the strict definition, is there an original car from the 30s-40s in its original state? Can't be.

When does the car lose its original status? When it comes off the assembly line? When the buyer takes possession and drives the new car off the dealer's lot? When the fan belt or minor or major component is replaced? Hard to pin down, isn't it.

Every time I read "it can't be original but once' it make me eyes cross, want to spit and blow a gasket.

Sorry for the length of this post. At least I feel better now.

Best,

Charlie

BTW: Your turn.

In a slightly less lengthy description my take is the term "original" doesn't apply to what you list as "consumables". Other than that when non "consumables" are changed on a vehicle but OEM parts are used as the replacements I use the term "stock" over original. Depending on how many non-OEM parts are on a car the term varies from "mostly stock" to "modified". When little of the stock vehicle remains it becomes "customized".

Charlie,

How would your car do in the HPOCF class? To me that defines original as far as Chevrolet's. You on the other hand are definitely an original!

Dave

Yep, I agree with Tiny and indeed based on the official definition, Charle is an ORIGINAL. Love to have a couple cold ones and see what makes Charlie tick. 8 decades and counting you learn a thing or two...

Always difficult for me to understand how any owner of a classic can make a statement stating all parts are “original “ ..... 77 years after factory assembly.

Charlie...................you need to do more serious time working on said car and push yourself away from the keyboard trying to make a statement on whatever pops into your head.

Just for the sake of stirring the pot .

mike

I agree. Mike

I agree with Tiny on the definition of original. The Chat site would not be the same without Charlie'

s literary contributions. I doubt if Charlie is an original . As Charlie says "just saying" I am old but not original. Take care JIM

It seems like the term original has become subjective, but the word "classic" applied to any of our cars seems to be the one that gets abused the most

John,



Mike and Mike,

"Charlie...................you need to do more serious time working on said car and push yourself away from the keyboard trying to make a statement on whatever pops into your head

Just for the sake of stirring the pot ."

The above comment is noted.

I admit that some of my posts may be out of order and that my sense of humor is not acceptable to many here on the Chat.

When I wrote the instant topic, it was indeed about something that had been bugging me quite a bit and for quite a while. it was certainly not something that just popped into my head or for merely stirring the pot.

I think I wrote a note at the beginning that if you read my post you had been warned.

Owing to my post not sufficiently made serious and thus being subject to misinterpreted, I owe you and, perhaps others and apology. I do apologize.

With heartfelt respect,

Charlie

Charlie
Thanks for often providing a little different perspective and food for thought and usually in a humorous way, at least from my perspective. If others don’t like your offerings, they can simply ignore the post and move on.

As for the topic at hand, this has been discussed in various forms many times in the past. Opinions and observations offered then are reappearing now, from what I recall. I don’t recall a consensus being reached then, I doubt one will evolve now and predict the topic will be resurrected repeatedly in the future. Cheers!

The problem is we here on Chat can come to an agreement on the definition of each term. If the rest of the world doesn't agree it won't make much difference. However, I think the Earth will continue to rotate either way. Now to be precise it is counter clockwise if you are facing North or clockwise if facing South.

CW facing north.

Your right CW facing North. Don't now what I was thinking.

Bottom line is this ... we can discuss a subject until the end of time. After that, someone will disagree.

I think what Charlie 41 special deluxe really needs is a BLOG SPOT, to post his random and just popped into his thoughts site. That way he can post his wildest thoughts or rants at his whim, any time of day or nite, when he feels like it. Not bothering anybody or having to respond to insults or congrats.


No idea how you get a BLOG SPOT, how you find a BLOG SPOT, I just know they exist.

Can somebody inform us where Charlie can locate a blog spot and post like a maniac .

If its simple enough , I might take up some serious delusional ranting myself in cyberspace.

Wife seriously wants me to find an outlet besides ranting at the TV.

mike lynch

Chipper, Which way does it rotate if you are facing East or West? Beamer

Charlie, when facing east or west , rotation stops.