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Last year I had the radiator in my 41 coupe cleaned out. While it was out I also replaced the water pump. Last spring I drove it from Mississippi to Oklahoma to attend VCCAs spring tour. I had no cooling problems. Temperatures were in the 70s. Last month I drove it on the interstate at 60 mph for about 10 miles, and it ran hot. I stopped at a rest area and added about 3 qts. of water. I got home on back roads at 40 mph. It ran warm, but not hot. The outside temperature was above 80. I'm sure I'm losing water out the overflow, but I don't think adding an overflow tank would help. The radiator has a honey comb core, and I don't think it provides adequate cooling. I think I need a more modern radiator with a pressurized system. Your thoughts?
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When new the 1941 was a well cooled car and could be driven over 60 MPH in 90 Deg. temps. without overheating.

Your problem is rust from the block has plugged-up your radiator core. The corre acts like a filter and catches the rust as it lossens up in the block.
To correct the block should be cleaned out by removing the expansion plugs, etc and a GOOD FLUSHING.


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Thanks Gene. Will do.
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Sid I had the same issue with my '42 a few years ago. I tried flushing the radiator but as Gene mentioned it was well packed off with rust in the tubes. I flushed the block out really well from both the top hose down thru the bottom and reverse. Also on the driver side toward the rear of the block was a drain petcock as well i removed and hooked up reducers to flush from there too. I also stuck a small wire thru to poke and loosen any rust/scale i could. In addition to that, i made a lil fitting on the water hose to add in an air line/valve and would surge it with air while flushing, seemed to help. Did all that til the water coming out of the block ran clear(was rusty for a while).


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Been There Done That

Overheating Problem, I am Stumped!!!

Cooling System

Good Luck, Mike
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Good Advice.

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I would be following Gene's advice, remove the expansion plugs (may have to remove manifolds for access) and scratch around into every little pocket you can with a piece of stiff wire.
I have the engine of my 38 partly rebuilt and I scratched 1.5 drink cans of crud out of it. There was a lot down between the cylinder casting and the inner pushrod casting as well as behind the rear cylinder casting.
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I want to be sure I know where the expansion plugs are. My block appears to be a 48. I say this because on the passenger side of the block there is a circle with the number 48 in it. On the driver's side I see two items that probably are expansion plugs. They are about halfway up on that side of the block. The rear one looks like a freeze plug, but the front one is a threaded hole with a large plumbing plug threaded into it. Both are about an inch and a quarter in diameter. Closer to the bottom of the block in the middle and at the rear on the driver side are two more plumbing plugs much smaller in size. To clean out this engine I presume I need to remove all of these plugs and scratch around inside with a coathanger. Sid

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They are 1 5/8" cup type "freeze plugs".....On the left side of the block as you described. Remove just those two.
Yes, you have a 1948 or 1949 engine but makes no difference.

If it were mine I would remove the radiator (again) and flush it out to rid the rust particles. Also remove the water pump and block drain cock as flushing and drain points.

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The "freeze" plugs are merely casting plugs for cleaning out the sand from the casting processes. These 215 blocks will crack along the upper drivers side along parlell to the top of the block usually near the front of the block. They will crack there before they ever press out a "freeze" plug. Use 50/50 coolant. Gene has recommended this many times.

As to the radiator, like Gene, I recommend taking the radiator out. The hardest part is the rods from the cow to the radiator support. When you have it out use an air gun on your compressor and a rag at the bottom outlet. It will come out by the fan if you loosen the belt. Use a garden hose to keep water flowing. Blow up (reverse) from the bottom outlet and let the water gush out the top outlet and by garden hose.

Keep doing this until the water runs clear. Fill the radiator to the top while holding you hands over the bottom and top outlets. When full release the bottom hand and notice the flow of water. It should shoot up about 5 inches and go down without much lagging water. Listen for any sucking sounds as the water empties out the flues. Such sounds indicate flues that are partially stopped up. If so and you didn't clear enough flues the core may need to boiled and rodded out. Not a difficult job if you are good at soldering and know how to take the top tank off and put it back on. (That entails blowing off the old solder, cleaning the tank and soldering it back on.) You need an acyetlene torch for this and a bench grinder with a brush on it. Some cut hydrocloric acid will help. "Cut" it with some pieces of old jar lids. (More on that procedure upon request. Best left to the radiator shop.)

I don't see any point in removing the "freeze plugs." Won't hurt but the nuisence is not worth any gain you may realize.

Same with the water pump (circulator). You need it in place to reverse flush the block. Again, using the air compressor, fill the block with water and blow back out through the block petcock. Do this until the water runs clear. If the block is so stopped up with rust that this doesn't work then it needs to be tanked. (major operation and work there) (take the thermostat out whilst doing this.

Check the fins in the radiator while you have it out. Blow out and straighten and bent fins. Get the trash out so air can pass through.

If you're loosing water (coolant) then check for a blown head gasket or cracked head or block. Easy, with the thermostat removed, fill the block with water up to the upper neck (no hose), trip the fan belt, and crank the engine. The water at the upper level of the neck should stand still when cranking the engine. If you see bubbles or water gush up then you have a crack or bad gasket.

As Gene said, the 41 had a good cooling system. And it was good enough to run cool with about a quater of the flues stopped up if every thing else was okay.

Note: The ambient tempature shouldn't be a concern. The thermostat will bring the coolant up to the its rating degrees of temperature. The rest of the cooling is up to the radiator.

If the tempreture goes into the read. Open the hood and turn on the coolant flow to the cabin heater. That is merely another radiator and will help some if you can stand the heat. Not so if its stopped up too.

Good luck,
Charlie computer

BTW: I could have told you to do a search owing to the fact that I've posted this advice many times. But, nothing beats a direct answer to your post. Agrin

BTW2: I doubt you have a true "honeycomb" radiator. Those had the zig-zaging flues. The 41 Chevrolets had straight flues. I think those stinkin Chrysler product may have had some "honeycomb" radiators withthe zig-zag flues. They can't be rodded. A McCord core was the usual fix there.

TRW3: Sorry this was so long. I get carried away sometimes.

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Thanks guys. I got the radiator out today, and will take it to have it checked out Monday. Hopefully one day next week I can also flush out the engine. Thanks again.
Sid


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