VCCA Home Forums GENERAL DISCUSSION General Discussions original vs restored

For the record... Brewster would be all for having one of those hotrods or customs built with all pre-1956 parts... maybe even a flatty powered deuce roadster...

The problem Charlie is that 2017 whatever , is the same as everybody else in the herd has, other than colour choice. Is that what you want . ????? Heck order it black with black interior and black wheels and you can be right in style. YUCK !

Its like building a 1932 ford hot rod roadster, according to the magazines its the be all and end all. Always was and always will be, according to the editors. The rest of the cars are all secondary to their beloved 32. Personally I HATE them and their pretentious owners. If you stick a 32 ford radshell on a 1930-31 ford, the 30-31 looks like a 32 at first glance, the 31 has a windshield visor that visually at first glance separates them. Say that to a 32 owner and you can wind them up like a wind up dinky toy.

Building a hot rod / street rod allows one the choice of a multitude of choices in how that car is finished. Motive power, colour exterior, colour material inside and on and on.

Go to a major street rod event with 15,000 cars there. Back in the day , 70's it was almost all fords with the odd lone 34-35 Chevrolet, ME. Now there are 37--48 chevys all over the place.

I know I can go there with my 35 phaeton Chevrolet and not see a fiberglass repo or a steel original body one.
40-41's chevys probably 50 of them scattered around fairly common.

I like different and unusual always have......stand out in the crowd.

mike

Sorry Charlie. I agree with Mike. I have had my Chevy for over 50 years, as a teenager I built the coupe how I wonted it not how some Vintage club thought I should have it. In actual fact when I completed my rebuild Vintage car clubs in New Zealand did not allow any car post 1931 to be members. I am now in the process of getting the old girl back on the road and I am intentionally keeping it the same as I did the resto all though years ago. I am a life member of the New Zealand Hot Rod Association and my life has been dedicated to restoring cars, we all have different desires and views, that"s what makes life so interesting . Charlie I love your postings please keep up your tongue and cheek comments.
Cheers Paul Mitchell.

"my life has been dedicated to restoring cars,"

Paul,

The above cited comment just doesn't square to me. So far, by your own words, you have not restored anything. That right there sounds a little blunt but what can i say. You have proudly said that you streetrodded your car and intent to '"restore" it to the years ago modified condition.

Here are the facts:

a. This club is dedicated to the maintenance and restoration of old Chevrolets.

b. We welcome street-rodders and such, who do have no intention of maintaining and restoring their Chevrolets to original condition. We run a great club and to do so we need all the money we can stand (see skunk joke0 to get.

c. We on the mind set to follow the maintenance and restroration idea appreciate the bind boggling talent of most of the hot-ridders. it is truly amazing displays of art-work.

d. We even more marvel at a well maintained original Chevrolet or one that has been miticlouslyu restored to original conditions. Either one just makes our tongue drop out and slobber all over the paint. Does too1

e. The effort that goes into making a unique street-rod could be better demonstrated in returning a Chevrolet into an original. We think. i think.

f. We of the original is better mind set, try not to flaunt our superior standing on this sub jectject so as not to offend those of our lesser beings but those lessers need to better respect their betters and keep thier talents hidden so as to not bring about a lessening of the epitimy of the old original car appreciation.

g. Street rods, et al, need to keep their cars covered when attennding boni fide
VCCA meets and only viewing upon ernest application by a interested maverick attendee.

h. Lastly, i appreciate thatit must be agreat country. If not for the beautiful scenery, pleasant folks and having to drive on the wrong side of the road, and street rods it would be a "true Sangra La." ((spelling may be wrong but you get it.)

i. Well, one more. if you took the time and money to restore that old hot-rod to its original condition, babbit and all, and drove it around with the old 6 banger in it you would experience a thrill like no other and way superior to whatever you get out of modernizing it to misguided standards. Bet you would afterwards agree. Where is the thrill of adventure?

Best,

Charlie

BTW; As a country, you-all do know how to sail, that's for sure!

Well Charlie, "the thrill of the adventure" obviously doesn't extend to pictures I viewed on here recently covering a VCCA Chevrolet tour in Ontario.

One of the last pictures I saw in the coverage was of about 4-5 49--52 Chevrolets being loaded onto trailers ....TRAILERS.......YA KIDDING ME SURELY NOT AS IT WAS A LOCAL TOUR to Detroit area.

The outright shame. ! Ya cannot drive a 49--52 chevy 500 miles to an event, RIDICULOUS ! So much for the old car creaking and groaning experience. I am laughing so hard my eyes are dripping. Your argument falls right into the outhouse hole you dug .

My 35 coupe street rod would do that easily at 70 mph in the heat of summer , without air con, which it doesn't have.

My 35 3w coupe has never travelled on a trailer nor a ramp truck. Its been driven too many NSRA events : 1970 Peoria Ill, 1971 Memphis TN I believe it was, 1972 Detroit, 1973 Tulsa OKLA, 1974 Winnipeg Manitoba then down to St Paul, MINN, 1975 Memphis TN again. 1976 brought an eastern road trip to Baltimore/Timonium MD. My son was born and 3 in the front of a 3w coupe stopped the travelling.


You complained earlier in a post , in this thread , that you took your car , went to a show, full of street rods and NOBODY looked at your stock 41 deluxe coupe. Charlie its just not that exciting of a body style to get excited about !

Why would anybody look at it ? Was it loaded with vintage GM accessories. Was the paint like just new out of the factory. Did it have that fresh smelling upholstery or the original with built in sweat stink , in the seats ????

If your going to post and attempt to stir the cesspool, make sure you got the clothes peg over your nose, because the stuff in that there cesspool , is being tossed back, with a slider/curve.

By the way you would be amazed at exactly how many of the vintage Chevrolet street/hot rodders lurk here, reading away , but figuratively HIDDING BEHIND GARAGE DOORS and afraid to come out .

You want us to come to a chev meet and cover our cars up with white bed sheets, really !!
Whats our classification ..??? KKK.


DUCK MY FRIEND , ITS COMING IN , HIGH AND HARD

mike.......

Hey guys... Let's dial it back a bit! Nobody wants to have to sit in the corner.

The thing to remember is that there are 8000 members in this club, and 8000 different ideas and opinions as to what constitutes a nice Chevy.

And ---- for those who DID NOT attend the Lake Tahoe Meet, you missed a great display of Original Vintage and Modified cars parked side by side. And people spent tons of time examining BOTH. No one was slighted in the least.

Best of all, the owners of both kinds of vehicles got along famously.

That's the way it should be.

Hey Mike.. That was my '51 on the trailer. I have driven that car everywhere (Vermont, New York, Michigan, Etc, Etc... so I'm not against driving it. It had just completed a frame off restoration, and I broke it in by driving it 200 miles, over the Mount Rose pass to Reno from Lake Tahoe and the full Loop the Lake tour of Lake Tahoe. The next week it did around 500 miles on that tour you mention in Michigan.

I think we can all appreciate the talent and ingenuity that is demonstrated by both but I think the conversation has wandered from its original title. Whether its cars, art, music,etc. I think there are people that can appreciate achievement and talent and others who remain oblivious.

Again, The initial post was concerning when to make the decision to restore rather than continue to try and maintain as original. There was nothing in my question to infer that one should make any Chevrolet into a street-rod. The posts that later weighed in skewed the subject away from its original intent.

Since BB has chimed in obviously thinking that i'm starting to rattle the sabers (which i'm not), i think i best eat my pride and tone it down a bit. i will. Read on.

The owner who obtains an old Chevrolet with the intent of making it into a street-rod is obviously talented and/or has friends that are. Fine. just don't expect me to invite them dinner. Even if bodacious frost touched fall collards, fresh roast pork, new red boiled potatoes and white meal cornbread are being served and warm apple pie with a dollop of vanilla ice cream on top for dessert. Now that right there, shamefully, is the strongest cold shoulder i can think of to turn. Is too!

i have enjoyed this here little back and forth battle that no one can win. "A man convinced against his will is of the same mind still." Don't no who to name as a quote but it sure rings true with street=rodders, it seems.

i think the base questioned is best answered by merely saying that the time to restore an old Chevrolet to original condition is when the time, body style, effort and money will pay such dividends as to make it worthwhile, both in pride and loyalty to the motto of the Club. (Again, please don't chime in with that tired old statement that a car can be original only once. You know that is what is not of any active help here)

What i don't particularly care to hear is from someone (prone to street-rodding) who has acquired an old Chevrolet and then makes the statement, 'Stand back, boys. Just wait and see what i'm gonna turn this piece of crap into." The thought makes me cringe. Does too!

how was that right there, BB. Lame enough? Let me know. i can be even lamer and even grovel if the need demands it. Can too!

Best to everyone,

Charlie :computer

BTW: i just can't let that remark about the 41 just slip by. There was an article in the G&D many years that said the 41 coupe was one of the best looking cars ever designed, or words to that effect. Anyone who appreciates beautiful works of art should appreciate those educated observations.

BTW2: i'm sorry this here post was so long. Way too long. i apologize.

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This above is your first post on the subject and the beginning post of the thread. Your openly attacking people on this site who build street rods .

You come out throwing bull crap or the stuff below the outhouse, then when you get a face full of it....be a man, don't duck.

Your like to stir it up and seem proud of causing trouble, why because you went to a street rod meet " and nobody looked at your 41 chev" .

If you continue this attempt at being funny ??? I will send you an application to attend a full session for CLOWN SCHOOL or free tickets to the Jerry Springer show

MIKE...........

Mike,

i'll look forward to the recieving the application.

Best regards,

Charlie

Charlie I would welcome you to our dinner table, mind you in NZ you would be served New Zealand Lamb, Kumera (sweet Potatoes)and puha (local delicacy) followed by a desert kiwifruit pavlova. You would be welcome to invite Mike from Canada to savor New Zealand hospitality while enjoying a Corona or two imported from Mexico, yes we trade freely with our neighbors.
PS My coupe still retains all the original running gear splash feed and complete with Oil leaks.
Cheers Paul.

paul..........if I came to New Zealand it would be to admire the fantastic scenery and vistas that NZ is famous for. Its on the top of my list of places I would like to visit in the world.

Unfortunately neither I or wife can stand the smell of lamb being cooked and I definitely cannot eat it..........tried.

mike

All of your members just killing me with all of this banter! I am getting the laugh of the century! : ) I had thought the VCCA POLICE was going to step in and shut down this thread or possible sending a PM message to tone it down!

I love all cars no matter what year make or model and style stock and original or hot rodded out! We should all respect our love for this cars no matter what style direction that the owner wants to go in! I am sorry Charlie I am with Mike’s thoughts and ideas on these cars. Plus he is possible correct with over half of these 8,000 members have street rods! Charlie or any other members, these hot rodders should be your best friends mainly because all the parts they do not want or can’t use on their rod project would be GOLD to hard core totally original car builders! Plus we have over 8,000 heads resolving any problems that arise in this long history of Cars on this one internet VCCA Car Club!
Please oh Please keep me laughing! : ))

Rory
1934 Chevrolet Standard DC Sport Roadster for sale
1933 Ford 3 Window Coupe
1934 Ford 4 Door Sedan under construction
1933 Ford 4 Door Phaeton

I restored my 56 Chevy truck as original as I could according to the GM Assembly manual, started the restoration in 2001 and ten years later it was done, back then NOS parts were a little easier to come by.

There are people in my town that have done trucks like mine that are more like street rods, I drove a 55 like mine with a modern chassis and it drove like a new car, it was fun.....

I wanted to do mine just the way it came off the assembly line because it fits the ERA that they were built,I have not driven mine down the road yet, just trying to take it to points shows for now, It cost me a lot of money to get it to the condition it's in, I'm not sure what it cost to Street Rod a truck, but I know now it's getting hard to find NOS parts for my truck to do it original...So Charlie if you can find the parts for your car to do it Original that's Cool....If you find the parts to street Rod it, That's cool also....Either way the Look will be there for sure....Rooney3100

Mike. Do make a point of visiting NZ you and your wife will love the scenery and the "Cars"

It would be no problem to change the Menu to suit your taste. We could always arrange Mcdonalds or KFC if you or Charlie Prefer.
I do know it would be a greet evening's entertainment
One thing we all agree on it great to love old Chevy.
Paul.

While Paul only mentioned Charlie and Mike, if any VCCA or Chat member is planning a visit under the equator I am sure something suitable can be arranged especially if we have advanced warning.
I too appreciate street rods and have helped build a few but when on this site I rarely mention them to maintain the "preservation" part of the charter.
Tony

There is an ancient joke:

Question - How many psychologists does it take to change a light bulb?

Answer - Only one, but the light bulb REALLY has to want to change!

The same can probably be said for the original/restore/modify discussion.

Jon

Charlie, as usual, you put too much verbiage (and extra thoughts) around those words in the original post, which created distractions, got feathers ruffled, got folks talking about topics not stated in that one sentence above, and resulted in a few folks getting on their high horses. Did too!

I believe each individual must draw the line as to when to leave original and when to restore, in accordance with their tastes and budget.

The whole hobby is based on love of these vehicles, satisfaction in working on them, showing them off, getting public reaction, and social gatherings with kindred souls.

The money involved is what someone is willing to pay for all of the above: entertainment. Some people travel, some folks play golf, some folks go to sports events, etc.. Each one of these paths can be a money pit or done on a shoe string. It comes back to the priorities of the individual.

I do not think anyone can quantify the point at which an original vehicle is so raggedy that it must be restored. The decision is all in the eye of the owner/beholder.

Cheers, Dean

"Well Stated." Thanks Dean

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Gee i thought you were inviting us to partake of great new zealand cuisine........sorry about the lamb, just not into smelly food.

BUT, you want to serve us MacD and KFC, jesus, that stuff could kill me and charlie. We could be coughing up HAIRBALLS on the floor , who knows whats in that stuff. As a member country of the british commonwealth your supposed to support and not do evil against your commonwealth partners.?? Plus one former member ( USA ) who opted out and went on their own after arguing about TEA, tea really with mother country England , that nobody leaves anymore.

Heck they do not even want the TRUMPSTER to visit. Whats up with that >???????

mike

No offence intended. We would arrange a Cuisine to suit your taste .I just thought all North Americans love fast food.
Paul.

Roara,

It is true what you said about the rodders tossing parts of the original. i go tomorrow to pull what is supposed a 61, 235 from an old Chevrolet pickup. We'll wait and see just what the engine really is. The owner is going to street-rod it. i will try to be nice to him owing to the fact that the parts are free. i just have to pull it. i'll let you all know how it turns out.

it is snowing here now and supposed to rain tomorrow. i didn't know i lived in but sometimes when i don't see a Carolina Blue sky and pleasant weather, i wonder. how in the h--l do people live up there? mercy! just kidding you. Am too!

As to Mike L, i sure hopes he gets to go to and enjoys the trip. i hope Paul doesn't tell him that those hotdogs waaay down and over there are actually made of lamb until he has eaten a bellyful. Serve him right. You-all got some upset stomach remedies down there? Just for me, hide them from him for a couple hours after dining. pretty please!

I think maybe i have POed some (Read "all") street rodders, et all, about their lack of support for the founding theme that the club encourages. i apologize for stepping on toes. it would be better to take the high road and just accept them and their works of wonder, expertise, talent, workmanship, conscientious endeavors and art. it was never my intent to belittle anyone or their ride. (Note:
This here, right here above was hard to write but after being on my knees - until they started to hurt something awful- seeking heavenly guidance and prayerfully repenting, there you have what the small sweet voice told me to do. Did too! I'm so sorry. (I hope King BB and Steve -his counselor in legal matters in the realm legal - and he finds this apology acceptable and will defend me against all finger-pointing accusing me of being a narrow minded nuesense. I'm not so sure which finger was being used and how.)

This is longer than I intended. Sorry about that too!

Please note that I didn't say one dang negative thing about Streed rods. Didn't either!

Charlie

BTW: How can tell a true street rodder? Well sir, when they come across a nice accessory for their ride they tend to ignore it. not so easy to do for an originality opinionated guy. I think that is about right and no insult is intended.

BTW2: my left shift keep is inop and I'm not going to much trouble using the right one. Shoot me1. see/

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Charlie there ya go again trying to stir the pot , not with a ladle, but with a canoe paddle . Now that its got cold where you are NC, the stuff at the bottom of the outhouse is getting tougher to stir .

Up here , we don't cower at the sight of snow, we love it, make snow balls out of it and learn to throw them straight and true, HIGH And HARD . We ski on it, we skate on it, we use it in our drinks, we make snow angels in it. Without it the fresh water flowing from the melting snows might effect your irrigation systems, feeding the tobacco fields .

How do we keep warm..........EVERY FALL , ALL THE MALES IN THIS COUNTRY are sent a brand new Saskatchewan real SEAl SKIN JOCKSTRAP, BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. Or you can pay to have a Borat style THONG covered in it, at very little cost. There is SLIME GREEN and also VIVID PURPLE as available colours, plus PINK , if that's your persuasion ?

huuuuum, YOU CAN tell a TRUE street rodder by them avoiding the accessories . Gee you are so wrong , in my case its painfull to read the blather.

All 3 of my 35 Chevrolets : coupe, roadster , Phaeton are equipped with the following accessories :
radiator mascot rad cap
crank hole cover
bumper guards front and rear,
luggage rack correct for 35 std,
inside rear view clock mirror,
left and right side tail lights.
Vent window insect screens for the no draft windows in coupe. Correct cowl lights for open car or closed car bases .
correct twin 7-7/8 super ray guide driving lights in the front

Body modifications.........35 PHAETON-----ZERO
35 COUPE.....HOOD SIDES PLAIN NO LOUVERS, 37 louvers per side in the top panels.
35 roadster .......door handle holes filled, they just look stupid down there. Hood side panel plain aftermarket ROOTLIEB.
Duval style windshield frame to top of cowl that metal was so rotted out a new panel at a cost of $1800 had to be fabricated.

No chops, channeled over frame, filled coupe roof, no bobbed rear fenders.
Wheels 15" wire wheels..........so Charlie tell me how HOT ROD is that in your clouded esteemed view ????? Most people ( the great unwashed ) think its stock.......lmao



MIKE