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1934 Fisher oval ID plate on lower outside cowl passenger side between the door and the hood.
Was that oval plate on all Chevrolet models cars including the American built roadsters?
Thanks!
Rory

NO.................the roadster and the phaeton bodies were not produced by FISHER , but an "outside source" according to the records I possess from GM .

my research has led me to believe that HERCULES CAMPBELL a supplier to gm who built small production runs of : woodies/suburbans, ambulances and many other truck based bodies also produced these. Nobody has any definitive proof that I am in error.

Now your car being produced in Australia is a HOLDEN BODY. On the lower cowl panel between the hood and the door would be the HOLDEN badge on the left side of a stock RHD model which your was. The rectangular or square badge has a LION in it.

I do not know if the Auzzie holden body has a FLOOR TAG with factory where it was produced like a USA built car or phaeton ???

mike lynch..........madmike3434..........

Fisher body produced Chevrolet closed cars with firewall build tags riveted on.....but the 33 master and 34 master series CABRIOLET'S were FISHER BODIES complete with fisher body firewall tags riveted on.

Only masters 1933-1934 produced cabriolets.

mike lynch

1935 Chevrolet standard 3 window coupe built in Oshawa canada
1935 Chevrolet standard phaeton built in Tarrytown NY

1935 Chevrolet standard roadster.........under reconstruction
Believed to have been stamped out in tarrytown and components shipped to Buenos Aries Argentina assembly plant for re assembly. No floor seat tag nailed on.

well my 34, or 35, roadster is definitely Australian, and the body tag on the left hand side of the cowl simply says "HOLDEN". Not "body by Holden" in the style of the Fisher bodied tags. Interestingly, the formal name of the company was "Holdens' changing to "General Motors Holdens" in 1931 when GM bought them out. The body tag on my car is headed HOLDEN'S (with the apostrophe), and then BODY No. (mine is 470), Then MODEL (mine is Chev Std), then JOB N0.but that line is not filled in on my tag.

There is a second tag without any formal Holden's tagging that says LEBANNON LG and then on the next line G 5. I have always assumed that this is a body colour, but I don't really know.

I am not clever enough to put photos up on this site, but I will email them to Mike shortly.

Mike thanks for that info and that clears that up!

My 34 Roadster has no firewall ID plates at all! My car came from California all apart and in pieces and shipped here in Massachusetts1983 and completely put back together in 1993.

The only identification I have on this car is on the title Vin # with Prefixes: "M" FOR "STANDARD"; "MR" for Right-hand drive "Standard"

Also have it on a Standard Vin ID # name plate under the passenger side seat wood floors.

I had read this old article from the early 30’s and it was funny especially the Chevrolet Roadsters sometimes had no Vin # s attached and if they did over time the floors rotted out and they were lost. When they registered the cars back then that was when the VIN ID #s were traced. Unlike early 30’s Fords they had the Vin # stamped on the drivers front top frame.

I had seen on the pics of the recent 34 Phaeton Holden body on ebay that did not sell had the Holden ID tag and I believe it was on the firewall.

Rory

My 38 truck had a oval tag on the left between front of the door and the lowest corner of the hood. During the progress of restoration this tag has been misplaced (probably with the rust patch offcuts) but it did have (Holden or Holden Body) in brass surrounded by blue enamel.
The plate under the hood has General Motors Holden with the numbers stamped below.
Tony

A lot of South American built/assembled chev roadsters and tourings were stamped out in Tarrytown NY , shipped to Argentina and assembled on the Buenos Aries plant. A lot of these cars were shipped back to USA by DR Mario Caplan in the 70-80-90, those cars had a stamped plate on the floor nailed down to either the floor wood or the seat riser.

My friend Mark Taylor in Cleveland Australia has a 35 Holden bodied touring and somewhere I have the floor tags picture of them. Only Fisher bodies had the firewall riveted tag. I got sent a picture of a New Zealand 35 chev touring car floor plate earlier this evening by a New Zealand friend

Because of the low dollar value of the Aussie currency verses the USA $, at that time, buying vehicles in Australia and south America and even Canada it was like these cars were on sale at 25% off or more. Todays exchange rate is 35 cents on the dollar. That means I cough up $135 Canadian to $100 of USA dollars. Hoping to sell your roadster to Australians or Europe, that's what your up against like I told you a month ago

The body lines on a USA stamping of body panels is way different than Australian.

As a matter of fact my 35 chev fisher body coupe the body lines are different than my 35 Campbell-Hercules roadster. The angle slope over the trunk /rumble lid is different and the side too side is 2" narrower and about 1 1/2 shorter top to bottom. The door latching system is from 1928 ford 2 door phaetons. The door hinges are hidden , but on the coupe they are exposed. The door opening mechanism pull mechanism is open car only.

open car dashes 33--35 are 2 1/4" WIDER AND THE LINES are different in the dash pattern . For some reason Campbell-Hercules decided to make the door handle on the outside much lower than the fisher, and too tell you my opinion looks stupid. The actual outside handle is also different than fisher bodied cars.

An interesting feature is on the open cars is that you can easily move a piece of metal out of the way and lift the door off the hinges, how weird is that???..........like a jeep.


mike lynch............
35 std coupe
35 std phaeton
35 std roadster

Kiwiguy,
Lebanon is the name of the colour. In this case this colour scheme came in late on 1934s but was mainly used on the 1935s. It is a two tone brown scheme with the fenders, swage mouldings and headlights a rich chocolate colour and the main body a lighter brown. L6 is the paint batch number and G5 indicates the body was made in July 1935. If your car has a brass plate (usually attached on the drivers seat base)it will have the chassis number starting with a letter of the alphabet. This will tell you where the car was assembled. EG S is for Sydney B for Brisbane etc. If you do not have this plate and the car is a 35 the chassis number will also be stamped on the vertical side of the chassis just above the attachment point of the rear of the left front spring. Sometimes a bit hard to see.

I learned some things in your post on auzzie Holden body assembled cars.

I was wondering about the tag with LEBANON stamped into it and also the numbers. Thank you for posting to this thread.

mike lynch

Did you manage to copy the pictures from that 34 master phaeton auction and the firewall tag. I don't remember the tag being pictured so you could read the tag.

****NOTE***** Canadian built cars roadsters and phaetons had a NON fisher tag, very similar to a fisher tag ***on the firewall*** .

I have a good picture of a 1935 chev roadster std, body #50 the last roadster made for domestic sales in Canada.

A woman member here from British Columbia Canada now owns her fathers car and is getting it restored by somebody.

mike lynch

I seem to remember when I was helping Mark shim the body on his 1935 Standard tourer he had misplaced the body tags. His tags should read much the same as Kiwiguys as his car was also painted the Lebanon colour scheme originaly.

Mike the car is still posted and you can still view it on eBay site with the brown metal tag Holden id name plate! I will try to send jpeg file it to your PM if you still cannot view it I can forward it to your email.

I had heard that this site is working on new software user friendly to post jpeg files. I know it is pushing it would be great if they could have a zoom feature and the ability to accept any size files as most of these high end cameras produce with high resolution!

Rory

345 Chevy, It’s funny you mentioned the two tone chocolate car! Check out this 1934 Chevy Roadster on Hemming online search #1894437 for sale at $55k with two-tone Brown with contrasting fenders, headlight housings, trunk lid and spare tire cover.

Was that the same color you were talking about? And was that the original paint scheme and was that an option wih Chevy?

Rory

the black 34 chevy master touring is still on ebay under ***completed listings***, sold for $27,000.

the serial plate is very visable and all it really shows whether its on firewall or floor, is the six digit CHASSIS SERIAL NUMBER .

This was not in the original listing the first time.

SO, if this car sold for $27000 restored, whats an un-restored car needing a lot of work worth. ????????

mike lynch......

Mike it seems that he posted and sold it 1 week after its 2nd time posted ended November 19th. He was looking at 33k at the min sell price when it closed out earlier!

I would guess that the Holden plate was on the firewall and he had added more pics when it was listed.

That was a beautiful car he just sold and it seems that the owner just wanted to cut his losses.

It seems like this market has changed and it is so sad with all of vintage history of these era cars!

Are there any of these cars coming up at Barrett Jackson auction next week?

That’s a great question! Running driving totally unrestored car I guess that it is what the buyer is looking for and what his plan is for the car!

Did you get to check out 32k barn find here on the East Coast?

Rory

I JUST WENT TO COMPLETED LISTINGS ON EBAY AND FOUND THE TUB HAD SOLD FOR THE $27g. EYE OPENER EH ??? THEN WENT THRU ALL THE PICTURES AND FOUND THE TAG PICTURE , FIREWALL ?? OR FLOOR ??? ITS LISTED BY FRAME SERIAL NUMBER.

NO, NO ROADSTERS OR TOURINGS FROM CHEVROLET ARE COMING UP FOR AUCTION AT BARRETT JACKSON IN ARIZONA. GO TO WEB SITE, CLICK ON ***DOCKET******** STARTING WITH #1 CAR AND FOLLOW IT ALL THE WAY THRU TO #1700. ANTIQUE AND CLASSIC CARS PRE 1940 GET SOLD AT OTHER AUCTIONS..........MECUM....GOODINGS .

THAT PHAETON WAS A DRIVER NOT A QUALITY SHOW FINISH CAR AND I THINK IT SOLD FOR ABOUT $2-3 THOU LESS THAN IT SHOULD.

THE OTHER 34 ROADSTER , BESIDES YOURS, THAT HAS APPEARED HERE FOR SALE ON VCCA AT $30.500 FROM MASS OR CONN. I GOT MULTIPLE PICTURES OF THE CAR FROM THE SELLER. ITS FULLY FUNCTIONAL AS A DRIVEABLE CAR , AS A SURVIVOR TYPE CAR.

I WILL NOT OFFER AN OPINION AS TO VALUE, BOSS HERE AT VCCA CHAT ALREADY GAVE ME EL CRAPO FOR MY EXCHANGE WITH AND ABOUT YOUR CAR.

THE MARKET HAS CHANGED AND CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY. BJ AUCTION IN ARIZONA IS DOMINATED BY VETS, JAGS, MUSTANGS,FERRARI, CLONES, SUPER HIPO FACTORY CARS OF LATE 60'S. THE DEMAND IS THERE OBVIOUSLY AND THE RARE AND QUALITY CARS ARE GETTING THE MONEY AND BIDS .

PUT YOUR CAR IN THERE AT NO RESERVE, GET YOUR HEAD CHECKED. NOTE******* THE HEAD OF BJ MADE SURE HIS GREEN MUSTANG ONE OF ONE WAS ONLY GOING THRU PROTECTED. IF YOU BELIEVE THEM THAT " WE GOT THE BUYERS " WELL I GOT SOME SWAMP LAND I WANT TO SELL YOU WITH A BRIDGE BONUS.

EVERY VEHICLE HAS A PRICE THE BUYER WILL PAY AND THE SELLER WILL ACCEPT.........TRICK IS GETTING TOGETHER. THE PRIME IDEA IS TO PRICE THE CAR TO SELL.........PHAETON SELLER MADE THAT DECISION TO MOVE FROM $33g DOWN AND IT SOLD.

HOUSING MARKET IS SAME THING, TELL REALTOR YOU WANT $500,000 AND OF COARSE HE/SHE WILL LIST IT FOR THAT , FULL WELL KNOWING YOUR NOT GOING TO GET ANYBODY THRU THE HOUSE AND THEN THEY COME BACK AND TALK YOU TO MOVE THE PRICE DOWN..........NO YOU SAY WON'T TAKE LESS THAN THE $500g, YOUR SOLID AT THAT PRICE.

A YEAR LATER YOU HAVE GONE THRU 10 AGENTS AND YOUR STILL THERE WITH NO OFFERS. HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.

MIKE LYNCH...........

I , like a lot of others watch Wayne Carinni on discovery " chasing classic cars " great show . Finds them, buys them and cleans them up. Restores some. Fantastic restorations, some outstanding originals, pre 40 classics and a lot of Ferraris.

Many times wayne takes a car to goodings or some other specialist auction, with his estimated price of what he figures the vehicle should sell for. Many times the vehicle sells for 10-20 % less than what he figured, he also has some he does get 10---30% more than he figured.

Its all about who is bidding on the telephone or actually there. Do we have 2---3--4---5 people chasing the car ??? More chasers, more money until somebody says uncle and drops out , one by one.

There is plenty of money to buy toys and tons of it out there.

mike lynch

Roara, Hopefully this will show a photo of my 1935 Tourer painted in the original Lebanon colour scheme




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DOUBLE SHADES OF CHOCOLATE............FANTASTIC.

LOVE THE FULL WHEEL COVERS.

QUESTION , IN INCHES , WHAT IS THE SIZE OF THE REAR WINDOW AND HOW WELL DO YOU SEE OUT OF IT

MIKIE LIKES IT !!!!!!!!!!!!

The buying public must have liked it at the time as well as it was a fairly common colour scheme. Rear window which was used on many open cars in the 20s and 30s in Australia measures (the visible glass area only)17 and a half inches by 5 and a half inches. It would be better if were an inch higher in the rear curtain as you can only see so far back down the road.

That is a beautiful car!
Was that two tone option with the color and the solid wheels or did they also have the wire wheels on your model?
Rory

Interesting discussion but it seems focused on money, price. I own my '34 chevy because it is the most beautiful car Chevrolet ever built. Of course this is just my opinion but all this talk about how much these cars are/should be worth is meaningless to someone who owns these cars for what they are, not for what they could sell them for. Maybe we should have another category for speculators.

GREENCORN..........that's because the conversation morphed from the for sale section and the asking price of the 2 roadster cars listed for sale here. Then became a new thread here in the 33-36 section .

Any talk of vintage cars always involves the price it can be obtained for and what we might be able to get after a sprucing up, IF I/we HAD TO SELL BECAUSE of circumstances requiring a sale.

mike lynch........