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I also vote to disband.
Being 1 of the original members I hoped the chapter would last a lot longer.
Tony

I also vote to disband the non-geo chapter.

I vote to close the thread.

I don't believe we can close the thread now that there has been an official meeting called and a motion made and seconded until the votes are in on that motion, and the meeting is officially declared over. That being said, I vote to disband the non-geo chapter. Beamer

I vote to close the chapter as well

i vote to disband. mike

I vote to disband.

Despite my concern that the Chat Chapter membership has NOT been formally notified of this event via a broadcast announcement in the Chat and Spark Gap as has been established past practice, I vote to disband.

Only 9 of the 22 members and officers have responded so far.

Thanks for the heads-up. Have posted the meeting in the Spark Gap and in the General Discussion forums. Lets see what happens. If poor response, will perhaps try individual e-mails.

Jim.

I vote to retain the Chapter.

Bill Barker

Bill, what do you know that we don't?

Ken, thanks for asking. My answer may underwhelm you. I don't really know anything special - at this time.

But -- In my earlier posting ( HERE ) I touched on how it makes MY JOB easier when I can solicit members from the Chapter for support and then I don't need to do any additional filtering. My assumption is that ALL of these people are dedicated VCCA members who go the extra mile to support the club. So any of them that offers to help with Chat, gets an immediate approval without any further research.

Also, as you know, the VCCA just released TWO RFP'S for the club's business. One for Member Services replacement and the other for all Computing Support (including Chat). While this may, or may not, actually occur, it would be of value to me, or the new people, to have a pool of members that can be immediately trusted to support the club and possibly provide some support in trusted positions. So -- I'm a fan for us to NOT pull the plug yet, until we know where the club is going with Chat in the next 3 or 4 months. We "might" need some (or all) of us to chip in, in order to make the transition work the way that we need it to. Change is hard, and the RFP results have the possibility of bringing one of the biggest changes to the club since we increased the size of the pages in the G&D.

That's it. If I could offer a counter proposal, I'd postpone our Chapter action for 6 months or so (maybe July 1st) until we can assess what the results of the two RFP's are.

We all have an investment in the club and don't want to see it harmed in any way. It's possible that the Chat Chapter might be called upon to act as the "fifth column" in order to provide hidden and quick strength in some of our club actions.

in light of bill's post, i have no problem waiting another 6 to 12 months before again considering to disband. and i'll tay on as treasurer. mike

I agree. I WITHDRAW my vote to disband.
Lee

Bill,
I appreciate your position. I propose another view. There are probably 1/3 or less of the Chat Chapter members that are active and therefore candidates for help. What if you just keep a list of the active Chapter members and tap them when needed? I don't think it matters to them if they are Chapter members or not. They will still help when they can. As you are well aware (others may not be) there are a couple of elves that have helped nearly from day one. Several others that have also helped routinely or when asked. The rest don't seem to be involved.

That being said I am not opposed to keeping the Chat Chapter active for another year. It is only a formality and transferring $ 25 from the Chat treasury to the VCCA account.

There are probably less than 1/3 of the members on the non-geo chapter active here......more like only 1/4. At any rate, keeping a list of those willing to help when needed would be a good idea. Before there was a non-geo chapter, there were those of us willing to help out as needed so disbanding the chapter should not effect those of us still willing to help out.

Due to inactivity here on the chapter for the past several years, my vote still remains the same...to disband the chapter.

I understand what Bill B. is saying but do not necessarily agree with his logic, to postpone disbanding the non-geo chapter for 6 months so there will be a dedicated cadre of members to call upon in case of dire need. As JYD says, we were all here before the non-geo chapter and responded when called upon. I feel certain that those of us who responded then will continue to do so. The fact is that the non-geo chapter is just another hat to wear that in the past several years, has had no effect on anything and to keep it going just for "what if's" is not going to change a thing. With it or without it, the same folks will respond to a call for help. We don't need a special place in the Chat Forums to be contacted. We have the Spark Gap and several different Forums already that can be used for that. For these reasons, my vote remains the same, to disband. Beamer

We have a motion from Mr. Barker to hold up on disbanding this site for about 6 months or more.

Do I have a second please.

I will count the votes for disbanding and holding same open on the 16th of December.

Jim.

That is incorrect. BBB did not make an offical motion. His post was answering a question put forth by Ken48.

We currently already have a motion on the table. Immediately after this meeting was officially opened, Chipper made a motion to disband the chapter and his motion was seconded by Mike McCagh, therefore, we are now voting on Chipper's motion to disband.

Please cancel or remove my last post #379988.

I am holding the vote open on the disbanding of our chapter under old business. I will be calling for new business, good and welfare, thence adjournment after I close the voting on disbanding.

Since the meeting was opened, I have only counted 11 members for this meeting. Still short 1 member for a quorum. Perhaps I have counted incorrectly?

Technically, the treasurers report was given before I called the meeting to order as also the secretaries report and the minutes of the last meeting were not read.

I say this gently, if you wish, I will start over with this annual meeting and wait until we reach a quorum before we have a motion and vote on disbanding.

In the light of JDV123's post of insufficient numbers I would think previous votes would be null and void but I am not an authority on the matter.
If I remember correctly the question of disbanding rose its ugly head last year as well but may not have been put to a vote (I dont remember and havent checked the minutes)
Due to Bill's post about the possible changes to VCCA as a whole I am now undecided about disbanding but disband or not I am still willing to help within my capability when required as most that have commented in this thread seem to be.
Tony

I believe that we need to notify all registered members before we declare the lack of a quorum. If we have not attempted to personally (email) notify each member then we are not holding to normal meeting notification practice. Notifying non-members by listing in a public forum is also normal practice.

I vote to dis-ban the non-geo chapter.

With 1931Sal's vote, we now have a quorum.

Hi all,

I held back hoping that after Bill's second e-mail asking to delay the closure might cause a director to step up. The reality of it is we need at least three volunteers. A director, Secretary and Treasurer. The last two could be done by one person but that is asking a lot of one person. Mike has indicated that he would stay on. The question is really are two other members willing to accept the roles of Director and Secretary?

I believe Bill was very proud when this chapter was formed. It became the voice for Chat. It still is. Because of its existence, it has its own board liaison! Yes, Chat is represented by the whole board, but the chapter can be the squeaky wheel. If the RFPs result in selection of a contract with a vendor and Bill passes the torch, this chapter may really be able to fill a role that might become needed. I am not sure.

The chapter's formation and continued viability is a symbolic reminder of the support for Chat by the membership of VCCA. We are the only club that has such a chapter that I am aware of! I will be sad to see it dissolve. But it all rests on the willingness of members to do the "heavy lifting" and fill the leadership roles. I would volunteer to serve in one of the roles but as an active board member I am currently prohibited. I'm in my last term, so in a couple of years, if the chapter is still alive I will step up and take "my turn". Those that make the point that the "core" group will still be here are correct. It only takes two of you to join Mike to keep the visible support for the Chat site and Bill's work front and center. Are there two members willing to join Mike in continuing to carry the touch? If yes, I believe the rest of the members will join in behind you.

However, If the majority of the total membership of the chapter is in favor I will support that decision. I cast my earlier unofficial vote to disband because it looked like it was impossible to fill the required leadership roles. With Mike's potential willingness to continue on, I want to offer whatever support I can to support that effort. Bill, would you consider taking one of the spots with Mike?

For now, I will cast a vote to abstain.

I do respect each of the views shared candidly in this thread.