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I am working on the 1952 Chevy Station Wagon which has a 216 cu.inch motor and a 4:11 rear end. One of the neighbors has a 1954 Chevy Coupe with a 235 cu.inch motor, an automatic
transmission, and rear end. These are the exact parts I was hoping to put in the 52 Wagon for better drive ability.
The 54 is on the rough side put appears to all be there. The engine has been rebuilt somewhere along the line (silicone everywhere) and seems to be frozen. The owner said that it was running when he parked it. The price is $700 firm. What do you think?
I plan to rebuild the motor anyway. Should I be very picky about the basic engine block?
Thanks for the help. Paul
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One more thing...The engine serial # on the right side boss is.....0728889 ....and....
3835913 is stamped on the head
Paul
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If I had your problem I would still be looking. 
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Paul here....I should of mentioned that all I want is the 235 and the 3:55 rear.....
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Don't know about the engine number but the head is a 1954-55.
Would be a nice engine for your 1952 as it is for the side style mounts also.Just check for a cracked block-cracks usually on the left side.
The 3.55 rear end would be a nice but a tall ratio for a 216 in a heavy wagon - OK for the 235.
The engine could be worth $200 and the rear end $100 - and the rest of the car????
Depends as to how bad you want it and the salvage or resale value of the remains.All things considered not a complete ZERO
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I paid 500.00 for a rebuilt 235 complete with carb, starter, generator, also some custom parts which would have a new retail value of about $200.00 so the 235 came for $300.00. I can buy from a local salvage yard a 3.70(53 manual) rear end of a 3.55 PG for $180.00.
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Thank you everyone for your imput. It is tuff being a rookie.. I have even more questions...
First..Is there any way to tell if a 235 has solid or hydraulic lifters from just a look at the outside?Most motors I look at have seen alot of hands over the Years.
Second.. Is there any way to tell the rear end raitos from an out side look. Must I pull the cover and count teeth? If so.... how many teeth on a 3:70 and a 3:55?
Paul again
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There is no way to tell what kind of lifters it has from the outside.If it was a P.G. engine it should have hydralics unless some one changed the cam and the lifters - or switched engines.
The only sure way on the rear end is to pull the cover and count teeth.The 3.70 will have 10 and 37 and the 3.54 11 and 39....actually the 3.70 would be my choice.There is a 5% difference between the two as to engine speed.At 60 MPH the engine RPMs with the 3.70 will be the same as a 3.54 at 63 MPH....You could run slightly larger tires on the heavy wagon and it would cancel out the difference - or most of it.
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It is my thinking that the difference between a 3.55 and a 3.70 in a daily driver passanger car or station wagon would be hard to tell, the higher ratio would not load the engine 5% as much as the lower ratio, and the difference in the loading and the higher RPMs of the rearends probably would be a wash. Now in a Nascar or a NHRA race car it might be a different story.
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You can jack up one wheel and count driveshaft revolutions as you turn the wheel 20 revolutions. If you come up with 35.5 revolutions it's a 3.55, 37 revolutions equates to 3.70, just move the decimal point one place to the left.
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Only on open drivelines. Unless, you want to bust open the ball joint.
RAY Chevradioman http://www.vccacolumbiariverregion.org/1925 Superior K Roadster 1928 Convertible, Sport, Cabriolet 1933 Eagle, Coupe 1941 Master Deluxe 5-Passenger Coupe 1950 Styleline Deluxe 4-Door Sedan 1950 Styleline Deluxe Convertible 2002 Pontiac, Montana, Passenger Van 2014 Impala, 4-Door Sedan, White Diamond, LTZ 2017 Silverado, Double Cab, Z71, 4X4, White, Standard Bed, LTZ If you need a shoulder to cry on, pull off to the side of the road. Death is the number 1 killer in the world.
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...or you have X-ray vision!....Unless of course it is off the car or truck, or the station wagon, or the sedan delivery, or the sawmill, or the carnival ride,
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Sorry, forgot where I was for a minute.
You mean no one here has the optional mica window in the torque tube? ;>)
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I have one but it has become all fogged over from the last 40 years in the barn! Are they really mica?
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The Isinglass types clouded up in about five years and didn't work very well on fire trucks.
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Well one really needs a viewing window on the bell joint of a firetruck!....Just be careful and watch the road almost as much as you watch the viewing window on the bell joint!
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