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I have a gentleman that has contacted me from Australia for a set of my 1933 Standard running board mats. He has indicated he has a 1933 Standard roadster and has sent pictures of his boards & mats. These pictures indicate 1934/1935 Standard. It was my understanding that Holden used left over parts from the US.
My question is, in Australia, if it looks like a 1933 Standard, isn't it actually a 1936? A little help here please.
Thank you, Joe

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I would have to assume, if the gm holden firewall ??? build plate says its a 1933 standard CC then you have to assume its correct. They did produce standard CC series roadsters and phaetons. Glen Stauffer had a 33 phaeton and I believe Glen Rarick in NY says he has a roadster .

Now you throw in 1934-1935 standard running boards into the mix, so couldn't be left over parts, as it was built in 1933.

Joe you have seen pictures of the car , roadster, does it have 33 style fenders and hood ????????


And all of this looks like a 36 chevy ??????

Sure pictures did not come from one of the new pot smoking states ?

mike lynch

I need to get some input from those in Australia. I know your take on this subject. When Glen Rarick & I picked up his Tourer he said it was a 36. The reason he wanted it was because it LOOKED like the 1933 Standard...Joe

Oh really I have never seen glens car, only had somebody tell me about it. That would have to be some pretty advanced styling going on in australia in 1933 to have it look like a 36

Guess this means a drive to lafargeville this year to view what he has for sale.

mike

Holden bodied cars used chassis assembled in Canada for the current year of production. They were not using left over parts, especially by 3 yrs. In fact, the Aussies had some cars that were not available in the USA such as roadsters and cabriolets that were available as Masters, where they were only available as standards in the USA. An example of this would be 1935. USA only had a Standard roadster, Australia had a Master available... using 1935 Master fenders.

I just spoke to Glen Rarick & he indicated his car is 1934 although it was built with 1933 Standard sheet metal. He also indicated that possibly WHEN it was built it might have 1933 Standard boards or it could have 1934 Standard boards. Let's see is the Australians can shed some further light on this subject....Joe

HUUUUUUMMM........question is , is the motor a 1933 standard series, is the frame a 1933 standard series ?

Aren't those 2 critical items the determining factor of what year the car is.?

My records from GM of Canada Oshawa main plant 1933 list shows we produced a total of 1047 STANDARD SERIES in 3 models..coach, sport coupe and coupe.....we exported 9 complete cars.

We also produced Chevrolet model 254 standard series , 901 units of C K D Australian pass chassis. CKD stands for "Complete Knock Down" for export to Australia
document is dated 06/17/36

mike lynch........

This is all so confusing I have had to read it all a couple of times to work out what is going on here. Australia did not use left over parts from earlier years. If the man with the 33 roadster showed 1934-5 Std running boards then they are not off his car despite what he may think. New models sold in Australia were usually released about 6 months later than in the USA, generally around March so it is quite possible the 33 mentioned was sold in 1934, but it would be purely 1933 with no 1934 parts. If it has then it has been modified at some time in its life.

General Motors _Holden's Ltd were very clear on what models they produced in 1933 .
The following models were available for 1933 "Standard" Chevrolet series "CC" vehicles.

Tourer , Roadster (commercial), Sedan, roadster (deluxe) and coupe.

All on the 1933 standard CC chassis.
as well as the following also available.

Chassis only " standard phaeton chassis with 5 wheels , spare carried in RH fender Well.
Closed delivery
Open Delivery
Open express Delivery
Flareboard delivery
Wellside Delivery
Closed Panel Van

Yes as Ron and Brewster have stated they were distinct as 1933 models , and were release approximately 4 months after the US release of that year models.

And No , it does not mention the Mercury Name in the 1933 information I have , including the Press release of the new 1933 models.

But the Mercury name does appear in the Holden Production totals 1934 and 1935 totals, as discussed in other posts.

The model numbers are quoted, but I do not know , if they were recorded on the Holden body plates. The few 1933 Holden body plates I have seen used letter abbreviations, and not the full model numbers allocated,

Every time I see a Standard model 1933 I ask about the plates, most are lost due to rotting floor wood.

Jack, as well as the roof lining with the words Chev Merc.written in chalk from my 1935 Std sedan. ( I still have the lining but not the car)I also have a photo of a body plate from a 1934 Std tourer with the words Chev Merc stamped into it. I did type "Chevrolet Mercury" into Trove digitised newspapers but there were no results. I believe Mercury was an internal factory name used to designate the Std models and was used up until at least 1935 in Australia at least.

Thanks for clearing all that up. It sounds like I need to find him the correct 1933 Standard running board with the plates so he can put the correct running board mats on the car. Thank you, Joe

The 1933 Standard tourer which was restored by Glenn Stauffer has a Brass plate fitted (by Him)with the model number quoted as 33/311 , and this is the correct GM-Holden's Ltd model number designation for a that Car.