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Is the section of the starters that reach into the flywheel longer on the Master?

??? I assume that you are asking about the Bendix Drive. However, you didn't mention the year of car which is needed to fully answer your question. Anyway, assuming that you have a 1933 with the correct starter, according to the Chevrolet parts book the Bendix Drive is the same from 1929 thru 1933.

Is there a number on the metal tag & if so, what number is it?...Joe

Here is the model #

This shows how this starter will not engage with flywheel.

Is there a rebuilder near you?...Joe

The 714-L starter shown is correct for both standard and Master 1933 models.

Didn't the CA Master '33's have a solenoid on top of the starter casing,and use a barrel type bendix drive assembly with a finer pitched pinion gear?

Research on line and Junkyard Dog says I have the correct starter. I would like someone to look at the flywheel picture and see if it looks correct.
Thanks
Don East

I have found evidence that the 714-L starter is correct for my car.

The finer pitched tooth may be a problem. The 33 has that interesting system connected to the gas petal.

ThanksCJP's 29

I checked my spare 714-l starter and it looks much the same. From the drive end mounting flange where it bolts to the bell housing to the end is 3" and with the bendix out it is 1-1/2" to the end of the bendix. You may need a GOOD rebuilder to verify that your 714-l is in fact assembled as a 714-l. I also have another starter tagged the same, but someone simply used the center(field) housing that has the tag with a different armature and drive end housing. If you measure from the bell housing at the starter mount to the end of the ring gear it should give you a good idea if the starter is the problem or if its something else. My spare was originally missing a shim on the end housing and would not even turn over so if your measurements seem ok then I would have the starter shop recheck the starter. Have you verified that you have a good battery?

The starting system is called a starterator.
Both standard and masters used the same bendix drive unit, listed in the standard auto electricians manual as R11-10

Steve, thanks for the info. I'll check it out tomorrow.
Don

Do you have the correct flywheel ring gear?

Don
The starter pinion doesn't contact the flywheel unless you push the start button. The pic shows the "at rest" position, when you crank the pinion moves out and engages the flywheel.
Tony

Hi Tony-While you description of the starter operation is right on the picture is of the drive in full engaged position. When retracted it will be completely inside the housing and out of view. If Don measures and the starter end housing is correct then my next guess will be that he does not have a 33 flywheel or perhaps engine. If someone has an engine with the starter off perhaps they could measure the distance from the surface on the bell housing where the starter mounts to the rear of the ring gear.

The 1933 Chevrolet 714L starter does not have an electric start button since the starter is activated mechanically with a starter pedal and linkage.

Please examine these images and tell me what you think. Need reference advice. [img][img]https://vccachat.org/gallery/47/medium/3917.jpg[/img][/img]
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You need to count the number of teeth on your Bendix drive. Also, you should check to see if you have the correct flywheel and the correct 1933 engine.

On my 32 flywheel when put ring gear side down on a flat surface the ring is against the surface. Not sure the 33 is the same, but until you provide some answers to the previous questions it will be hard to determine your problem. As JYD posted verification that the flywheel is correct and that you do indeed have a 33 engine will help us to move on to the next step.

Steve is right......the more answers and specifics that you give us to our questions the better we can help you with your problem.

The photo in post #348372 appears to show that the flywheel is installed backwards or is the wrong flywheel. If installed the opposite then the teeth of the starter and flywheel ring gear will mesh.

This is what I think is the problem. What do you think? [img][img]https://vccachat.org/gallery/47/medium/3933.jpg[/img][/img]

I have my 33 Master engine out and have some pictures of the correct flywheel and clutch plate. (if someone can tell me how to post them)
You have the right starter, not sure you have the correct flywheel and clutch plate.
Hope this helps.
James

I agree with Chipper, it looks like the flywheel is installed backwards or is the wrong flywheel.