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"Thats why the judging should be fun but not draw any blood."

Gene,

If a judge gigs a proper, correct accessory because he is not aware that it is indeed the proper one and then goes and gives a pass to another car in competition with the first one, with an incorrect, improper accessory, all other things being equal, then, indeed there will be blood.

I would call the judge out by telling him to meet me in the middle main street at high noon and to be a-carrying because I will. Upon meeting that sorry critter I would tell him to fill his hand, you sorry son-of-a ...ch! I am no different than anyone else on this. I have witnessed those with this attitude.

Judges should be an expert in the cars they judge. That would be the ultimate boas but ofttimes they are not. That is why they should make out a will before any meet and prepare to die. They don't get paid enough to take all the hassle they may get.

Is there any wonder, then, that I have never been a judge? Alas, they have a hard row to hoe. Do too!

Just saying.

Charlie

Note: Before any of you get all in an uproar, the most of the blood related stuff above is totally tounge in cheek. Judges do their best and should have our respect.

No. But I have never entered a judged event and largely for the very reasons that are the thorny topic of this thread. It is subjective and so very hard to know with conviction that something is "right" or "not right".

Let's take paint color as another example: Most manufacturers offered a series of a dozen or so standard "no extra cost" paint colors. However, in the case of GMC, they were a fleet truck manufacturer and they focused on fleet sales. While the Mayflower Van Lines Yellow and Green colors were not part of the "no extra cost standard colors", they were available from the GMC factory, factory applied, if you had the DuLux code numbers for the paint you wanted to match the rest of the fleet and you paid the custom painting fee.

So if I were to paint my truck in Mayflower Van Lines colors, would that be a basis for point deduction in a judged event?

I am not an "expert" regarding judging but would think that whether its paint or any other factory custom option factory documentation would be necessary. With that provided there "should not" be any point deductions.

For many years passenger cars could be ordered from the factory wiith special paint colors. At the dealership where I worked they ordered the last convertibles in 1975 in special colors, usually Cadillac colors which were not available on other makes in ther GM line. The cost was only like $25 dollars. The flexible plastic fillers around the bumper ends came painted silver and the dealer repainted them to match the car.
The paint number on the car was noted as "specal"

Everyone knows that many years ago, Chevrolet often offered "special" builds. It could be special paint or whatever. If you are having a Chevrolet judged which had been special ordered, the key is documentation. An original invoice or some markings on the vehicle or VIN would be great.

Who knows, maybe "special builds" even happen today if you have enough money?

dtm

I don't see the possibility of "challenging" the judging process, as anything of value.

I get the idea that the judging process could being played, by the car owner, as an attempt to "outsmart" the judging staff, like a game of chess. Heck, that's not fun or the intent of the judging process, as I read it.

If a "special paint combo" or a "special option" is on a vehicle, so be it, but supply the clear documentation to validate what is being presented.

Someone here said the judging process should be fun. It sounds like this "fun" could be taken way too seriously.

Accuracy and documentation is the key, as I perceive all this.

Another thought, are GMC's currently being judged at VCCA events?

Maybe I'm way off base here but I always took judging as an informative way of making a car better, both as a judge and having a car judged. I would sure rather have my car judged by knowledgeable people then just anyone at a local burger joint.
I recently judged at the area 9 meet in GA, mostly 5-6-7's and even a '58 and a Nova. I had a blast. I got to meet the owners, see their cars up close and learned a lot. Judging has sure changed a lot since the mid 80's.The restorations are so much better along with the knowledge of these cars.
So keep it fun, learn from it to make your car better, document everything if possible.
Ed Bittman VCCA#47508 TA#99 Dade City, Florida

Off base ? Sounds like you're right on the money!

Getting into different paint colors, etc., is way beyond what I intended for this discussion. Nonetheless, there have been many thoughtful responses. I appreciate them. Don't know if we cleared up anything or not. Probably not. 'kept one thing I guess, is that if there was a factory accessory for the turn signals, then there would be points off for any other type.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-O...ash=item41962e2706&item=281692481286

Take a look at this 11941 Chevrolet Special Deluxe 5-Passenger coupe on ebay. It sure is a fine one. Lots of accessories and is well maintained. I don't know the reserve but probably pretty high.

Anyway, I noticed that it had turn signals but not the 40-41 type. While the car would do very well in judging it would get points deducted for the turn signals. Possibly for the red strips in the grooves in the accessory hood ornament, as well.
It does, however, have a really rare "batman" tail pipe extension. Shirley, that should count for something. Still, it would be better to take it off while one is taking the turn signals off before judging so that there is no chance of a deduction. Those negative points will count up.

My best to everyone.
Charlie

That is one fine car that any 1941 lover would like to have.
If it were mine I would paint red stripes in the bumper guards and wing tips.
I believe it has been on ebay before.

Second owner states the N.O.S. fenders he had installed were made from aluminum, due to the war. I have not heard of using aluminum for fenders.

During the Korean war a "place" made aluminum left rear fenders for 1941-1948 Chevrolets. (aluminum was scarce during WW II).
They didn't have good aluminum primers back then and they had trouble keeping paint on them The general construction was good.
They still pop-up at swap meets.

The owners' letter stated the fenders were N.O.S.

I associate N.O.S. with GM, but the "place" does not sound like GM, thus my initial question.

Thanks.

BOB,

Gene may have used "place" instead of "replacement." That's what I would guess.

I didn't catch the information about the fenders being replaced. Man that is a deal breaker for me. I was all set to bid. Mercy!

BTW: I think that the grey paint in the grooves of the accessory hood ornament is the only use of grey on any accessory for 41. Gene, isa that right?

Charlie

perhaps I should have used "company" or some other word. They were after market. I don't connect that 1941 as having new fenders as I was under the impession that is an original car.

Aftermarket makes sense. Did not hear of GM aluminum sheet metal, back then, in that era.

Info, regarding the replacement of both rear fenders, due to salt damage, is in the typed letter from the second owner, who had the restoration performed.

The letter is shown, along with all the car pics. I clicked and magnified the letter, so I could read it clearly.

Bob,

Maybe that is why there are no underneath pictures.

It sure looks good and original from the top, though.

I think maybe you should cash-in those old 51s and go for this magnificent piece of art. Not just an old Chevrolet as all the other may be, but a true masterpiece. Is too!

Just think: the next time you move, and I hope you don't, this car would be road worthy and could be driven right away and as far as you wanted it to go. No need to get on the Chat and worry us to death about how to move those two artificial "fish reef" ready items. Just kidding.

Good luck on bidding.
Charlie

Charlie

When it comes to accessories period correct is good enough for me and I have seen aluminum fenders for 40s Pontiacs.

I am sure there was no such thing as Pontiacs were far less common than Chevrolets, some years has 3 different rear fenders becuae of three diffeerent sized cars aand had many lines stamped into the fenders.Also the did not use one fender from 1941-1948 as chevrolet did.
The aftermarket guys produced a lot of things like trim mouldings and easy yo make replacement parts for Fords and Chevrolets because there was almost a million cars each of them produced every year.

Gene,

My eyeballs will not allow me to make out what that car is in your avatar. And, you are so ashamed of what you have that you opt omit to mentioning them in you profile. Accordingly, I wonder what that car in the avatar is. It looks like a 57 for Fairlane station wagon from what I can tell.

Please post what it is so we can praise it some. If you choose, if its too embarrassing to admit owning a Ford, then please email me.

Also, so that the inquisition element doesn't get all bent out of shape for the original thread, does that critter have any accessories on it?

Thanks,
Charlie

I would bet a lot of money that "chev gene" would be driving a 1957 Chevrolet 2 door wagon.

dtm

Gene is the vintage chevy man

Go to the new feature with all the G&D covers posted....then 2007 and then November and you will see the car.

Ah, Gene... thanks for using the Carousel. That makes all of the effort for the past 4 years worth it.

Also, here's a shortcut: http://vcca.org/covers/covers2007.php


=Bill