VCCA Home Forums TECHNICAL - 1945 AND NEWER 1946-1948 47/48 jacks part 2

I would like to make a cardboard box to store my jack and tools in the trunk"as they orginally came in"...Any ideas

So that's no idea's

None!



Loose in trunk or bag. No cardboard box. Shipped loose.

What are you going to tell the judge if he ask? No documentation on cardboard box.

Russell I knew you had thoughts on this..I still find it hard to beleive the jack and tools were just laying in the truck when shipped from the factory? They were in a sealed box in earlier years,as validated earlier by Gene

FOURTENN PAGES ON JACKS! Just put a bottle jack in the trunk and be done with it.

Tap48 if the correct jacks would have shown up early,there would have been no reason to continue...You can end it today by posting a pic and documentation of the factory 48 jack...come on now...And if it's in an original box,I would be thrilled

I ran across a `1942 with a jack that was from a 1948. It had the typical square post and a base with a round hole....and they did mate together.

Sorry I have neither an original 48 jack or an original box. If I did I would help end it. But if all the people with all this knowledge that have posted can't find the "correct" jack or box how can a judge say which is right or wrong? For me a bottle jack or the current '90's GM frame jack I have in my chopped, Nova sub framed V8 '46 Fleetmaster 4-door has served me well when needed. I'll be putting one or the other in my Mustang II suspended LT1/4L60E powered '48 Fleetmaster cabriolet when it eventually hits the road.

I think someone needs to find another chat site

In the 30s the tools were shipped to dealers in boxes of multiple numbers of a single item. It was the responsibility of the dealer prep to put the individual tools in each vehicle. Same with bumpers, hub caps and many accessories. So the cardboard box you are dreaming about likely held several jacks.

Given the above I am sure that not every vehicle got the "correct" jack or a complete set of tools. Since the customer didn't know exactly what was supposed to be in the car there would not be complaints. Of course that doesn't matter today to VCCA judges (assuming they know what to look for).

Thank you Chipper...That closes that case

I'm guessing that was aimed at me. I'm on several chat rooms and I like them all. I'm on this one because I own vintage Chevrolets and have for over 42 years. I just like my vintage Chevrolets modified. I can cruise at 75-80 mph for hours, can turn on the A/C when needed and should I break down I can find what I need at most any auto parts store. All with maintaining the look and style of '40's Chevrolets. If judging and making sure all the lug nuts have the proper date code is what someone wants out of the car hobby then more power to them and have fun. I would hope people would look at street rodders the same way. But as most street rodders I don't give a rat's behind about judging or trophies. My satisfaction comes from the smiles and thumbs up of the people that I pass or pass me on the road. For me that's what it's all about, not something that's going to collect dust on a shelf. As my old friend and long time VCCA member the late Doc Hattenhauer once told me "I like street rodders because they get rid of the parts us restorers need". I appreciate all the work someone puts into a car to make it factory original and I would hope a restorer would have the same appreciation for street rodders. I believe that VCCA is for all Chevrolet lovers not just the purist.

I may be wrong, but I don't think chef-chev made that statement because you have a street rod . I think he was trying to say that if you are getting tired of the jack blogs simply don't read them and go on to another topic, not necessarily leave the Chev Chat site. All are welcome here.
Personally (even though I prefer unaltered vehicles) I admire some of the street rodders for their ingenuity and effort put into making some pretty nice vehicles.
P.S. I met Doc in 1970's and found him to be quite an interesting gentleman.

AND KEEP THOSE PARTS COMING OUR WAY!

Where is that date code on my lug nuts? I can't find it.

One last word from me, I much rather see one rodded (second choice though) than crushed or melted down and sent off to China or wherever.

Back to Jack and friends:
Going back to 2003 again:

Post #31593 12/18/03 the Toolman said " I have access to a 1948 ratchet bumper jack. Anyone out there in Chevyland know if the 1948 Chevy passenger car jack is the same as the 1947 jack?
If it is, I can send you some digital pictures of the 1948 jack."

Do you still have? If so, picture please?


Post #31598 12/22/03 the Toolman said "1946, 1947 and 1948 Chevrolet bumper jacks all appear to be the same item if we just look at the Chevrolet Master Parts Price List/Catalogs for the years 1946,47 and 48. The number listed for the "Bumper Type" jack is Group # 8.820 and Part # 609656. One of the problems is that a manufacturing improvement can be made by Chevrolet on an item like a bumper jack and Chevrolet would be justified in keeping the same number in the Parts Books. Therefore, rather than myself "assuming" that all 3 of those years are absolutely identical, I am still searching for difinitive documentation. For now, it is reasonable to go with the alleged fact that all 3 years are the same. As more information becomes available, we will add to our knowledge base. Once I publish on my website that all 3 years are the same, if I have made a mistake, it sometimes takes years to undue the damage, with VCCA people buying/showing/ and ultimately having the wrong jack judged at VCCA meets."

Dave, if it is not correct, we will forgive and understand!!!


Post #31600 1/13/04 Chipper said "Now for jacks and tools. Normally individual tool sets, jacks, starting cranks were supplied in bulk to dealers not packaged for or enclosed in each vehicle. It was the duty of the dealer to put the tools and jack in each vehicle delivered. If you want documentation get a copy of the "Double Check" filmstrip from 1930. It is all about making sure that the dealer put the tools in each vehicle. So are the tools that were placed or are found in each vehicle absolutely correct? Maybe not."

Yes entirely possible. After his post to Bruce today, just think, 11 years later, that's his story and he is sticking with it.

Post #31603 1/14/04 about the '48 jack Gene said ".Also 1948 jack post was not centered in base-but was off set." Talking about a jack that was on e-bay.

I wonder if he, Gene, was remembering something back then that is forgotten now? After all, we do not have a verifiable picture of a '48 jack.


Post 331604 1/15/04 Gene said "Jacks from 1936-39 were designed to lift from the bumper brackets and the 1940 and up hooked under the bumper bar itself. Same base was used 1940-48 also used a separate round handle to operate rather than the lug wrench."

Well, as of today, we have a little clearer picture of the late 30's to early 40's jacks than back then. Making progress!

More re-cap to come. Anybody writing this down?

Printer is working as you speak. I thought I'd print it when we were done ...Don't see that happening soon???

jacks '36-'39 fit on the bumper brackets.....should read 1937-1940.
Jack post not centered on base - The column mounting now centered in base , from 1949 Egnineering refering to 1948 jaack as well as size of base.
1935 Master jack and 1936 Master and standard jack fit on front bumper brackets and special jack bracket bolted to end of frame on rear.
Jack(S) listed it parts book for specific years not alwas the same jack used in production.

Bruce, I need your help! Would you please post a clear picture of the jack you use to have in the box , the '41 I believe it was decided. One of it up-right like the one of what was determined to be the '40 on the wall. I would think you have them mounted side-by-side.

I, in my mind, can not see how that jack can fit to or lift "on" the bumper instead of the bumper support. However, I have been known to be wrong at times.

If any of the '41 car people happen along here, please, your input, please. 41 car guy, CHARLIE, Mike, or even Dave the '40 guy!

Yes when I get home

Pics as requested

OK folks, please identify the above jack.

Thanks

That is a Pontiac wheel jack. From about 1937 to 1948 Pontiac came with that jack. It leaned against the wheel, the top "hook" caught the rim, post leaned against the tire. The car was jacked up and a stand placed under the front control arm or rear axle.
Will send you the Pontiac jacking instructions tomorrow.