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I know this topic has been discussed many times but quick recap please...The 216 starts and runs great but after heating up (never over 180)it must cool down before restarting,chef-

Chef, tell us more, does the starter spin the engine really slow, too slow to start or does it spin as fast as when it is cold, and spin, and spin but the engine doesn't fire up? If the starter don't spin fast enough how long ago was the battery checked, the cables (are they large enough diameter)is the terminals and engine and ground connections clean? Was the starter rebuilt by someone reliable.
If it spins and spins, is the carb flooding the engine, are you chokeing the engine when it is hot?..... DON'T Choke a warm engine!! If the engine is flooding,Try holding the foot feed about half way or all the way down and don't pump it, that will let the air get into the cylinder and make a ignitiable mixture, when the engine fires and speeds up let off the foot feed! The food feed actually opens the throttle and allows air to flow freely, remember the carb jets supply the gas and the throttle supplys the needed air flow, which will cause the carb to supply the amount of gas needed at idle, medium and high rpms.

Now will you please tell me the best recipe for great Belgium Waffles and pancakes!(Yum..Yum!!)

Generally this all goes back to either small cables (12v) instead of 01 or 00 size 6v cables, dirty terminals or a combination of both. To start a warm engine that has been sitting for a little while I always depress the throttle 1/2 the way hold it there and crank the engine it will star quickly. These old carbs perc the gasoline out while sitting with warm engines, there is generally enough in the accelerator pump to provide for the start, an dholding the throttle at 1/2 position allows for plenty of air. If you do this more than about twice then you will be dealing with a flooded engine.

Not everyone believes this but it is often an indication of a dud coil. My 48 did it years ago till I put a new coil on it. Ten years later a new owner complained that it wouldn't start when hot so I gave him a new coil and that fixed it again.

Could timing cause this problem??

Mr.Mack,Belgium Waffles have lost their following over the years.I use to use 5 irons for breakfast but now use 3 of them for lunch to make stylish sandwiches,"Paninis or Cuban Grinders"(fancy grilled cheese sandwiches)

Chef, are you used to working with policiticans? It seems to me you may be avoiding a straight answer , just a tad, about both the waffles and the car!

I still like'em (waffles and cars)! just wish I had a good recipe for the Waffle batter! I reckon it is a secret recipe...EH?
You can tell Me!

About your car, does the starter spin the engine fast or not?

Mr Mack the starter spins slowly i.e.like a low charged battery.Conection are tight and bat.cables are thick
just as your waffle batter is when chilled.The yeast in the belgium batter makes it a bit tricky to prepare and lessons its shelf life so you should use it in a couple of days..cake flour,buttermilk,sugar,fresh yeast and unsalted butter is all you need to make a great waffle,measurments being optional of course,

Ok so for about five gallons of batter, a sack of cake flour, a jug of buttermilk, a scoop of sugar, a hunk of yeast and a big wad of unsalted cow salve butter, mix with a boat oar to mash out the lumps, put it in the fridge and use within a couple of days. Sounds delightful to me!

Kinda like directions to change a water pump! And it could very well be that the battery isn't getting a full charge, it takes a lotlonger to charge with your generator than it will with a modern engine, does the amp meter show that the battery is being fully charged (The amps will gradually drop back to just a little on the full side if everything is ok after 30 or 40 minutes at cruising speed, or the battery may have a bad cell.
How many miles do you have on the engine? less than 500 or so could just be a tight engine,the bearings may be a tad tight and the rings not worn in good. Any heat will raise the resistance in the battery circuit and that could cause slow cranking, I would say let her cool down for now before attempting to start, and after a 1000 miles at highway speed if it isn't better, call JYD!

Mack,now that you've got the measurements right close, you will need to go out to the chicken coupe and fetch about a dozen eggs and add to the batter and your set

Yes the 216 has less then 500 miles on it and needs a hard work out which it will soon get,thanks,chef-

I agree with terry Hicks - the culprit most likely is the coil. I had the identical problem with a '37 Chevy - cold engine started right up, but a hot engine, on a hot day - nothing, until it cooled off. If I pushed it and bump-start it, it'd fire right up. I tried 3 or 4 NOS coils that had been sitting around on the shelf for ages, with the same results.

Finally, after my wife got tired of pushing it, I tried a brand new coil from NAPA. I never had another problem after putting in that coil.

Bowtie,I had the coil on my list.I should receive the new one today and we will see the results this weekend,chef-

I put the new coil on and took a 30 minute spin,turned her off,waited a minute and she started right up!!!Thanks guys we may have solved this problem.
When driving and useing no appliances i.e. lights,radio,turnsignal,the ampmeter shows a slight discharge.At an idle it is dead center???Problem??chef-

Yep! Either you have a bad regulator, a bad generator, or you have the wires reversed on the back of your ammeter.

I guess I can count the reversed wires out,when I turn on the lights the ammeter shows charging...chef-

The ammeter shows charging with the lights on when the car is running or when the car is off? I assume that you meant when the car is running.

Yes JYD that would be correct...when running,chef-

Okay......your ammeter shows a discharge when driving with no accessories on, and it is dead center at idle, and a charge is showing with the lights on while running. That can still indicate that you possibly have the wires reversed on the ammeter since your ammeter is reading opposite of what it should in the above scenarios. With the wires reversed the ammeter will read opposite of what it should.

Thanks,Dog I'll get under there and report back,chef-

Cool! :p

I failed to report back on this one but sure enough I switched the terminals on the ammeter and no more dischargeing.The meter shows charging most all the time except at an ide.Should it not even out after a while.

Is it possible by switching the terminals on my fuel gauge it would begin to work?It does not presently.chef-

chef,

you would think that it would, but, in the daytime, mine always show a slight discharge at idle, and charging at higher rpms...


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I've been told this before.Now all i need is a working ammeter to varify every thing is good,chef-

"The meter shows charging most all the time except at an ide."

"Now all i need is a working ammeter to varify every thing is good."

Sounds like your ammeter is working.

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Sorry,JYD I meant voltmeter to assure the regulator and generator are working properly,chef-

Cool! That makes more sense.