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Check out this BEAUTIFUL ORIGINAL 47 Fleetmaster!

If you want to see how things SHOULD look on a
Fleetmaster, Download these pics. There are some slight boo boos in the engine compartment, but the rest is incredible!!!

Beautiful car.

See guys a '47 doesn't need to have all of the JC Whitney accessories hanging on it to be beautiful...LOL.

Nice Car, won the bid but didn,t meet the reserve.

Looks to have been repainted.Firewall is a different color...original may have been Lullwater green...Underbody is reapinted.Too bad they butchered it with the add on turn signals and the ugly inline fuel filter...When I started in the dealer back in 1950 the average 1947 looked about like this.

Any 1947 lover would be happy to own it....Would look good in your garage -Dean

I think my baby would get Jealous Gene

And I agree, whats up with that stupid looking turn signal light set up??? The inline filter just makes me wanna go out and grab my line cutters..snip,snip..

Somewhere out there in a field, or a garage my 34 project is waiting to be discovered

But until then my 47 keeps me happy, and healthly. See ya at the fish fry Gene!!

It LOOKS like a pretty nice car. Of course nothing beats an on-site inspection.

Note that it even comes with a yellow 'little tree' air freshner hanging from the choke lever. I wonder if yellow is lemon scent and if that (lemon) is a subconscious 'warning.' ???

I might understand waiting to paint the firwall,but what about the door jams???chef-

The underside of the trunk lid doesn't appear to be painted either. Seems like it was just painted with everything 'closed.' That doesn't seem to show much 'respect' for a 28k original car. Starts a guy to thinking about the 28k 'original' miles, huh???

And then little things like the center of the wing window crank missing on the passenger side. And the wipers 'pointing out.' Not much effort went into making a good presentation for selling this car. Starts a guy to thinking about the seller's interest in the car. Apparently nothing more than just a 'unit in the inventory.' Maybe even makes you wonder about the seller's (dealer's ??) integrity.

I guess 'overall' the car looks pretty nice. And it does have a VCCA logo sticker on the passenger side windshield! BUT, as I noted previously, nothing can take the place of an on-site inspection.

Seller says car was from Arizona and never in rain?????Serial number indiactes it was made in Tarrytown,N.Y.???No where does he say original paint-which isn't too suprising as most 1947's required repainting before they were 4 years old due to the poor quality of the metalic paint of the day.They also had a problem with the paint cracking around the quater belt crease moulding...

Coil up-side-down,plug wires have rubber spark plug boots and light switch knob is missing the tan insert in the center.picky-picky


To the + side-it appears to have the original metal back sealed beams.

It is a nice car but the reserve was way too high.

I plan to look at this car shortly. I talked with the owner-the car apparently was a clean original, but he did some work on it with his son.(Father-son project) The window rubber and glass is new, new brakes, the engine gaskets and seals (rear main) were replaced, gas tank cleaned,tune up, etc. It was stated that the car runs very well and reliably. Of course there are some things that need to be corrected-I am just looking at a driver,not a showpiece. Any other comments would be appreciated!!!

Master Six, To be serious it looks like a very fine original car and various things make the milage appear to be correct.That 1941-48 body was very solid and held up well.If the paint is original it would add to its value-if not would detract a little but its still a very nice car.The incorrect items are minor and not unusual to find on a 58 year old car.
The wheel cylinders usually rust and stick on these and may require rebuilding every few years.Sounds as if this may have been taken care of for now.If they replaced the rear main seal the pan was removed,they cleaned the oil pump screen so thats one more problem out of the way.If the rear main leaked it probably still does-can be difficult to cure 100%-ask them if they used the rope type or "rubber" seal.At 35,000 many '47's required overhauling.Especially if they were "short trip-low speed" cars.May use oil (oil return holes in rings would clog) and when first started and at idle speed the wrist pins may be heard (sounds like marbles in engine)neither of these things are serious.Other than that it it should be a good driver+++....

Keep us informed

MASTER: Chev Gene says good things, as usual. Indeed, several of us here did point out some 'picky picky' (as Gene also said) things. Many of them can be 'fixed' without spending a lot of $$.

IF it has been repainted, I'd be sure to ask if there's any left over paint. Especially considering that if it has been repainted it sure doesn't appear that door jams, under deck lid, etc. were painted. Being able to get his left over paint would sure make 'matching' the color a whole lot easier.

And here's a thought about the 'picky, picky' things, just because it's a 'driver' doesn't mean it can't still be real correct and real nice.

The great part about the whole (possible) transaction is that you've got the opportunity to go look at the car, drive it and so on. It definitely looks nice in the photos. It'd be nice for you if it's as good 'in person.'

I hope it works out well for you. :) Bill.

I recently inspected a 1951 that was for sale here in Wisconsin for a member/friend in New Jersey.It was described as an all original rust free car that ran well.I was amazed when I saw it as it was just that.Shiney black,mint trunk with original jack,very nice original interior,etc....should be on its way to N.J right about now....so you never know

Chevgene relates a 'good' experience. They DO happen. But note his comment about being 'amazed.' Too often it does seem the car unfortunately doesn't match the description.

This 47 that MASTERSIX is going to inspect just seems 'fishy' to me. For instance, the owner said the car was AZ and had never been in the rain' - but (per Gene)the serial number indicates assembly in Tarrytown. Oh well, that's why 'we' go check 'em out. What the heck, that's part of the fun of this great hobby! Bill.

Sounds okay to me regarding where the car was manufactured. My 1930 coupe was manufactured in Kansas City, Missouri, but it now lives in Eagle Point, Oregon. Nothing fishy here......except for the Salmon in the Rogue River. So, maybe the '47 was shipped to Arizona when it was new?

Seeing it was assembled so close to where it is now would make me doubt that it was ever in Arizona.Also the dash wood grain would have been sun baked in Ariz.......

When I bought my '57 it was (is) a Janesville ,Wis. car.It was so rust free etc. I was told that it lived in California most of its life as the frame isn't pitted etc....never know to as to believe it or not....it difficult to tell as anything with wheels can travel

Didn't folks that lived in Arizona back then have garages? Maybe the car was kept in the garage most of the time (based upon the miles on the odometer) thus it didn't see much sunlight.

Did anybody live in Arizona back then??

Hum.....now that's a good question! I think the only people living there then were the Apaches and Big John Canon from the High Chaparral. :eek: :eek:

Come on Skippy. 75 yrs later, cars can be all over the place. It just seems likely that a low mileage (supposedly 28k) original that's still located 'near' where it was manufactured wasn't 1000's of miles away in AZ for most of it's life. That just makes 'sense.'

It's like Gene said, "Seeing it was assembled so close to where it is now would make me doubt that it was ever in Arizona."

In 'those' days there were so many assembly plants that most cars were sold in the 'area' they were mfgd. For example, my 42 was assembled in St Louis and first sold (new) in TX. Another example: Joe's 48 was assembled in Oakland and sold new here in OR.

My 42 was in TX for years, til a VCCA (collector) in Cali bought it. Then I bought it in 95 and now it's in OR. So, 63 years later a St Louis car is in OR. Not unusual. Sorta like your '30. Mfgd in KC and now in OR.

Just wondering, do you know where your KC car was first sold?? Bill.

Nope. My '30 is like the '47.....don't really know where it was first sold. And, like the '47, it could have been sold anywhere! Come on Billy Boy Bobble, there are many reasons why the car could have ended up in Arizona when it was new and then back to where it is now. Without the history of the car documented we are all just guessing at where it could have ended up during it's lifetime.

I want to thank you guys for your comments. I have enjoyed this club since I was 15 years old-I learned so much from other members over the years!
When I meet and talk with the owner I plan to get more information about the car. If I like what I see and hear, fine. If I have the least bit of cause for concern about the car, I walk away, simple as that with no hard feelings. That's all part of the process.

Well said. Have a good time visiting the car and the 'owner.' Are you actually seeing the owner or a dealer/broker type?? Bill.

Bill, I am seeing the owner of the car, which I like more than talking with the broker. The broker really did know anything about the car.

MASTER: Usually the case. (that "the broker really did NOT know anything about the car.")

And unfortunately in an effort to make it look like they do, it seems like the 'broker' can sometimes weave a pretty weird story.