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If somebody could tell me whats supposed to be correct for 1934 1935 chevrolet standard series roadsters.

I have been finding pictures of the roadsters on ebay and the internet . My friend mark in australia has a holden bodied phaeton. What i am looking for an answer to is whether the roadster built in north america had 4 sides on the roadster windshield frame : L & R sides, top, and was there a bottom piece to the frame ???
The pictures of the USA built cars do not show the bottom piece ( like a ford ) and it looks like its just the glass is shaped to the profile of the cowl top. That fits up against a rubber strip that goes from side to side.

Is there anybody on this site that has roadster info that they care to share with me and others on this list.

thank you.........mike lynch

contact me off list if you wish too
mike350 at rogers dot com

Mike,
I don't know if this will help, but My 1936 Master Parts List says that the '34 Master W/S frame is the same as the '34-'35 Standard series W/S frame on the roadster and phaeton bodies.
Maybe Someone familiar with the Master Series will have some helpful info. Good Luck.

Mike

Hi Mike,

Down under windshield frames are very different then what we had here in the USA. So your better off looking at the 32 to 35 open cars in the US. So the 32 is different than the 33 to 35 but the same in appearance. Your best bet would be to call the 33/34 standard TA. I know he just finished restoring a 34 phaeton.

Also I can send you some pictures of a 32 when many of the parts are the same.

Also I think the 41 parts book has a picture of a open car windshield frame in it.

mike35, that makes sense about windshield frame being the same size in 34 master and 34-35 std series because the 34 master dash fits into a 34-35 std with no mods.

Other than 34 master is straight across the bottom and 34-35 std has a nice gentle curve to the bottom.

Really need to find out still if the windshield glass frame is 4 sides of metal framing or just 3 like i am seeing in various pictures i have collected.

anybody know?
mike

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Can you scan that page of the 41 parts book or take a digital picture of it and send it directly too me at

mike350 at rogers dot com

big thank U....mike

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Who is the 34 standrd TA and how do i get in touch with him.....email...telephone ??

thank you....mike

Mike if you are not a member of the VCCA you will not have access to him. That is one more of the perks to being a dues paying member. Think about it. You also get the G&D and have access to more threads on the Forum.

Hi Mike,

The windshield is a top and 2 sides (all one part), the bottom is mounted on the cowl. Frame Picture

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WELL HOLY SMOKES THE WINDSHIELD FRAME ON MY 34 ROADSTER IS CORRECT !!......i think the problem is that we see so much of the 1932--36 ford roadsters and how they are, that we just assume that every other make would be similar. I can sleep a lot easier now knowing that i am not going to be driving myself nuts trying to locate a windshield lower NON missing section.

Major big time thank you for your help guys. Will look into vcca membership , was back in 70's-80's

hopefully car will clear usa customs in january 2012 and arrive here for me to begin work on it. Waiting for new title to get done by government

mike lynch
mike

So who built this roadster? Holden or Chevrolet? Because the windshields are different between the two. Also there is a part which goes across the cowl which is part of windshield which holds the rubber to seal the bottom of the windshield.

Bruce

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Bruce just joined the VCCA few minutes ago.

This particular car was stamped out in usa as a CKD = complete knock down and assembled GM Argentina as a rhd car, maybe ??? or a complete assembled RHD car. It was imported back into the USA in the 90's and the prior owner bought it in alabama 5--8 years ago. Somebody converted it back to a LHD car, butchering the dash on drivers side with a slotted opening.

Too best of my knowledge Holden bodies made in Australia are different . For instance the belt line detail is very different on the holden body. There is no body molding line at the bottom of the quarter panel or around the wheel well, like the USA stampings.

The tourings or phaetons in the standard series on the holden bodies, do not have the curved body molding from the rear door and flowing down the quarter panel like the USA and Canadian built ones do. Canada also exported left hand and right hand drive cars as i have a list from my friend Frank who runs vintage services at GM Canada.

The bodies shipped to Argentina and South Africa are definately all american stampings style.

mike

Check out <oldjalopy.com>.

Mike
I believe CKD units were shipped directly to Aus for assembley as well but I dont have any confirmation of this. It may also be that a lot of the CKD and rolling chassis sent here came out of Canada which is another theory I have heard.
There was some stamped here as well including my 1/2 ton but originally they had an extra tag on the lower left cowl corner (just behind the mudguard) stating Holden Body.
Tony

According to my printout from GM vintage vehicle services Canada, in 1934 for chevrolet **master series** they shipped 3194 model # 154 CKD for assembly elsewhere in the world.....argentina...australia ...south africa. They also shipped 614 LHD ( left hand drive ) and 269 RHD of which 205 were CKD

In the 1934 STANDARD SERIES model # 254 they shipped 2474 passenger CKD. They also produced 259 LHD and 169 RHD

I also found another page where it specifically mentions australia.
It lists model 10-26 1935 master Aust. CKD passenger chassis 3,264 were exported with no notation on l or r hand drive.

For 1935 standard series EC it lists model # 12-26 Aust. CKD pass. chassis 5730 exported with no mention of l or r hand drive. They also exported 138 complete assembled LHD cars and 448 complete RHD cars

Thats all i have.
mike

Mike

I have a 1934 Master Sedan built in South Africa and the Car No. is XGCDA47199. The car was assembled by General Motors in South Africa. From the information you have would you be able to tell me what the XGC stands for.

Dave

Dave, i have been digging thru the 4 pages of info i have supplied by GM Canada vintage services.
The XCGDA..........of coarse you know that the DA stands for the master series. The XGC, huuuum.

I would think the X stands somehow for EXPORT ,
The GC, got me. Your guess is as good as mine.

On the sheets i have they show: -export
model no.-model--name fisher job no..domestic CKD LHD RHD
100LD 5 pass std coach 34-551 3360 --- ------ 1
105 5 pass spec coach 34-551 660 --------------
195LD 5 pass spec sedan 34-559 3032 -----------353
195RD 5 pass spec sedan 34-559 . 9
195X1 5 pass spec sedan.. 34-559 6
195X2 5 pass spec sedan...34-559 2
195X3 5 pass spec sedan...34-559 6
154 CKD pass .............................3194....205 also shows for sedan
170LD 5 pass std sedan ..34-559 2376 12
170RD 5 pass std sedan ..34-559 42
175LD 5 pass spec.CC sedan 34-569 1105 163
175RD 5 pass spec CC sedan 34-569 8

CC sedan ..stands for Close Coupled sedan with trunk

I did not list phaetons, roadsters, special coupes, rumble seat coupes, special convertable coupe with rumble seat, sedan delivery, #171 sedan chassis RHD there was one

SORRY but the page will not allow me to line up the numbers below where they are supposed to be for left and right hand drive export

mike

Thanks Mike.

Anyone else know what the CG stands for in the car number in the message above?

Dave

Mike
That posting seems to back up my suggestion of CKD from Canada to Aus and going by the numbers shipped my guess is they would be all RHD with some going to New Zealand after assembly unless NZ was supplied from other scources.
I have been told the was a fire in the records department somewhere in the 1950's which would leave verification almost impossible now.
Tony

The 4 sheets i have from GM Canada are photo copys of original june 26 1936 documents, from the production control deptartment, signed by V. R. Caverly .

Frank Agueci the owner of vintage vehicle services is able to supply. www.vintagevehicleservices.com 1-905-440-7697
email is....frank.agueci@cc.gm.ca

His services costs...1963 and older $39.75 ....1964 and newer its $73.45 for canadian production down to early 30's plus for USA production sold in Canada coverage starts in late 1950's.

They also do USA production sold in Canada & also USA production sold in the USA 1976 and up....$135.00....much higher fee due to archive fee research charge.

mike

This is a little off the Subject but while we're talking 34-35 Chevies, did Chevrolet put 6 Lug wheels on their Standard Canadian Cars? I know the US cars had 5 Lug wheels on all their Standard 35's.

yes, 5 lugs.

mike

The reason I asked was because there was recently a Canadian 35 Standard Coupe listed on E-bay with 6 Lug Wheels.

I own a 1934 Standard roadster, a U.S. model. I also own a 1935 Holden-bodied Standard phaeton, built in Australia, originally with right-hand drive. The windshield assemblies are altogether different. You are correct that the U.S. version has no lower metal piece. The Australian version does. The U.S. version has only glass along the bottom. It is sealed against the outside air by a chromed metal strip which is screwed into holes in the top of the cowl, and which holds a rubber seal that runs the length of the cowl. Incidentally, the windshield stanchions are also different between U.S. and Australian versions. The U.S. ones fit the cowl much better, so when I restored the Australian one, I used the U.S. stanchions, which are chromed, unlike the painted Australian counterparts.
I'd be happy to send photos if I get your email address. Mine is jdhhag@comcast.net, and I live in Albuquerque.
Jay

JAY, thank you for your response to the 34 roadster question. I have sent you a direct email with questions and the other with pictures of the car.

mike