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If somebody could tell me whats supposed to be correct for 1934 1935 chevrolet standard series roadsters.

I have been finding pictures of the roadsters on ebay and the internet . My friend mark in australia has a holden bodied phaeton. What i am looking for an answer to is whether the roadster built in north america had 4 sides on the roadster windshield frame : L & R sides, top, and was there a bottom piece to the frame ???
The pictures of the USA built cars do not show the bottom piece ( like a ford ) and it looks like its just the glass is shaped to the profile of the cowl top. That fits up against a rubber strip that goes from side to side.

Is there anybody on this site that has roadster info that they care to share with me and others on this list.

thank you.........mike lynch

contact me off list if you wish too
mike350 at rogers dot com

Mike,
I don't know if this will help, but My 1936 Master Parts List says that the '34 Master W/S frame is the same as the '34-'35 Standard series W/S frame on the roadster and phaeton bodies.
Maybe Someone familiar with the Master Series will have some helpful info. Good Luck.

Mike

Hi Mike,

Down under windshield frames are very different then what we had here in the USA. So your better off looking at the 32 to 35 open cars in the US. So the 32 is different than the 33 to 35 but the same in appearance. Your best bet would be to call the 33/34 standard TA. I know he just finished restoring a 34 phaeton.

Also I can send you some pictures of a 32 when many of the parts are the same.

Also I think the 41 parts book has a picture of a open car windshield frame in it.

mike35, that makes sense about windshield frame being the same size in 34 master and 34-35 std series because the 34 master dash fits into a 34-35 std with no mods.

Other than 34 master is straight across the bottom and 34-35 std has a nice gentle curve to the bottom.

Really need to find out still if the windshield glass frame is 4 sides of metal framing or just 3 like i am seeing in various pictures i have collected.

anybody know?
mike

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Can you scan that page of the 41 parts book or take a digital picture of it and send it directly too me at

mike350 at rogers dot com

big thank U....mike

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Who is the 34 standrd TA and how do i get in touch with him.....email...telephone ??

thank you....mike

Mike if you are not a member of the VCCA you will not have access to him. That is one more of the perks to being a dues paying member. Think about it. You also get the G&D and have access to more threads on the Forum.

Hi Mike,

The windshield is a top and 2 sides (all one part), the bottom is mounted on the cowl. Frame Picture

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WELL HOLY SMOKES THE WINDSHIELD FRAME ON MY 34 ROADSTER IS CORRECT !!......i think the problem is that we see so much of the 1932--36 ford roadsters and how they are, that we just assume that every other make would be similar. I can sleep a lot easier now knowing that i am not going to be driving myself nuts trying to locate a windshield lower NON missing section.

Major big time thank you for your help guys. Will look into vcca membership , was back in 70's-80's

hopefully car will clear usa customs in january 2012 and arrive here for me to begin work on it. Waiting for new title to get done by government

mike lynch
mike

So who built this roadster? Holden or Chevrolet? Because the windshields are different between the two. Also there is a part which goes across the cowl which is part of windshield which holds the rubber to seal the bottom of the windshield.

Bruce

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Bruce just joined the VCCA few minutes ago.

This particular car was stamped out in usa as a CKD = complete knock down and assembled GM Argentina as a rhd car, maybe ??? or a complete assembled RHD car. It was imported back into the USA in the 90's and the prior owner bought it in alabama 5--8 years ago. Somebody converted it back to a LHD car, butchering the dash on drivers side with a slotted opening.

Too best of my knowledge Holden bodies made in Australia are different . For instance the belt line detail is very different on the holden body. There is no body molding line at the bottom of the quarter panel or around the wheel well, like the USA stampings.

The tourings or phaetons in the standard series on the holden bodies, do not have the curved body molding from the rear door and flowing down the quarter panel like the USA and Canadian built ones do. Canada also exported left hand and right hand drive cars as i have a list from my friend Frank who runs vintage services at GM Canada.

The bodies shipped to Argentina and South Africa are definately all american stampings style.

mike

Check out <oldjalopy.com>.

Mike
I believe CKD units were shipped directly to Aus for assembley as well but I dont have any confirmation of this. It may also be that a lot of the CKD and rolling chassis sent here came out of Canada which is another theory I have heard.
There was some stamped here as well including my 1/2 ton but originally they had an extra tag on the lower left cowl corner (just behind the mudguard) stating Holden Body.
Tony

According to my printout from GM vintage vehicle services Canada, in 1934 for chevrolet **master series** they shipped 3194 model # 154 CKD for assembly elsewhere in the world.....argentina...australia ...south africa. They also shipped 614 LHD ( left hand drive ) and 269 RHD of which 205 were CKD

In the 1934 STANDARD SERIES model # 254 they shipped 2474 passenger CKD. They also produced 259 LHD and 169 RHD

I also found another page where it specifically mentions australia.
It lists model 10-26 1935 master Aust. CKD passenger chassis 3,264 were exported with no notation on l or r hand drive.

For 1935 standard series EC it lists model # 12-26 Aust. CKD pass. chassis 5730 exported with no mention of l or r hand drive. They also exported 138 complete assembled LHD cars and 448 complete RHD cars

Thats all i have.
mike

Mike

I have a 1934 Master Sedan built in South Africa and the Car No. is XGCDA47199. The car was assembled by General Motors in South Africa. From the information you have would you be able to tell me what the XGC stands for.

Dave

Dave, i have been digging thru the 4 pages of info i have supplied by GM Canada vintage services.
The XCGDA..........of coarse you know that the DA stands for the master series. The XGC, huuuum.

I would think the X stands somehow for EXPORT ,
The GC, got me. Your guess is as good as mine.

On the sheets i have they show: -export
model no.-model--name fisher job no..domestic CKD LHD RHD
100LD 5 pass std coach 34-551 3360 --- ------ 1
105 5 pass spec coach 34-551 660 --------------
195LD 5 pass spec sedan 34-559 3032 -----------353
195RD 5 pass spec sedan 34-559 . 9
195X1 5 pass spec sedan.. 34-559 6
195X2 5 pass spec sedan...34-559 2
195X3 5 pass spec sedan...34-559 6
154 CKD pass .............................3194....205 also shows for sedan
170LD 5 pass std sedan ..34-559 2376 12
170RD 5 pass std sedan ..34-559 42
175LD 5 pass spec.CC sedan 34-569 1105 163
175RD 5 pass spec CC sedan 34-569 8

CC sedan ..stands for Close Coupled sedan with trunk

I did not list phaetons, roadsters, special coupes, rumble seat coupes, special convertable coupe with rumble seat, sedan delivery, #171 sedan chassis RHD there was one

SORRY but the page will not allow me to line up the numbers below where they are supposed to be for left and right hand drive export

mike

Thanks Mike.

Anyone else know what the CG stands for in the car number in the message above?

Dave

Mike
That posting seems to back up my suggestion of CKD from Canada to Aus and going by the numbers shipped my guess is they would be all RHD with some going to New Zealand after assembly unless NZ was supplied from other scources.
I have been told the was a fire in the records department somewhere in the 1950's which would leave verification almost impossible now.
Tony

The 4 sheets i have from GM Canada are photo copys of original june 26 1936 documents, from the production control deptartment, signed by V. R. Caverly .

Frank Agueci the owner of vintage vehicle services is able to supply. www.vintagevehicleservices.com 1-905-440-7697
email is....frank.agueci@cc.gm.ca

His services costs...1963 and older $39.75 ....1964 and newer its $73.45 for canadian production down to early 30's plus for USA production sold in Canada coverage starts in late 1950's.

They also do USA production sold in Canada & also USA production sold in the USA 1976 and up....$135.00....much higher fee due to archive fee research charge.

mike

This is a little off the Subject but while we're talking 34-35 Chevies, did Chevrolet put 6 Lug wheels on their Standard Canadian Cars? I know the US cars had 5 Lug wheels on all their Standard 35's.

yes, 5 lugs.

mike

The reason I asked was because there was recently a Canadian 35 Standard Coupe listed on E-bay with 6 Lug Wheels.

I own a 1934 Standard roadster, a U.S. model. I also own a 1935 Holden-bodied Standard phaeton, built in Australia, originally with right-hand drive. The windshield assemblies are altogether different. You are correct that the U.S. version has no lower metal piece. The Australian version does. The U.S. version has only glass along the bottom. It is sealed against the outside air by a chromed metal strip which is screwed into holes in the top of the cowl, and which holds a rubber seal that runs the length of the cowl. Incidentally, the windshield stanchions are also different between U.S. and Australian versions. The U.S. ones fit the cowl much better, so when I restored the Australian one, I used the U.S. stanchions, which are chromed, unlike the painted Australian counterparts.
I'd be happy to send photos if I get your email address. Mine is jdhhag@comcast.net, and I live in Albuquerque.
Jay

JAY, thank you for your response to the 34 roadster question. I have sent you a direct email with questions and the other with pictures of the car.

mike

Hey Guys,

I don’t know if this helps or not, because I don’t know anything about 34 or 35 Roadsters. I do know about 36’s, I own an Australian Holden Body Chevy Roadster. I have personally seen American Fisher Body Cabriolets, a South African Roadster and an Argentinean Roadster, and they all used different windshield and posts. Here is a pic of my 36’s windshield.



See Ya!
Randy

ok...3 pictures.showing australian standard windscreen.1st is a pic of a 35 standard "ute"sitting at howlong,not4 sale


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next is 2 pics of the screen off my 35 standard,unrestored as yet,the bottom rubber piece missing...these are all holden bodied,note that the uprites that hold the screen are triangles,on the 34's,they are square[4sided]


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...........dave............

DAVE........thank you for your imput on the roadster windshield question. Yup, Auzzie HOLDEN built bodies had diff windshield setup than North America cars. Great UTE by the way, hope somebody re-does it.

The North American roadsters and phaeton windshield frames contained only 3 sides with no bottom metal piece. They had glass that was formed to the same shape as the cowl and closed against the metal/rubber across the top & front of cowl section.

mike

no worries there,mate,

Mike, this is Jay in Albuquerque. I never got your direct email, so let me give you my home email address, which is jdhhag@comcast.net.
You might try that one.
Jay

JAY......THATS THE ONE I SENT THEM TOO, 2 EMAILS. RE SENDING BY FORWARDING THE EMAILS NOW AT 4.20 EASTERN TIME ZONE.

maybe your system has put them into a spam type folder because they are forwarded emails ? No idea what problem is.
you can contact me directly email mike350 at rogers dot com

MIKE

DAVE, on the windshield wood front header bow there should be some kind of metal bracket attached to it on the underside. This would be for the header to attach to the post and with thumbscrews (?)

What does that metal bracket look like. I and Jay in new mexico USA are interested.

thank you mike

first a pic of a restored screen........


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also a pic of cowl....note the little ridge where the rubber will sit when the screen is fitted..vent is boomerang shape 4 a 35...strait for a 34...


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great pictures Dave and on behalf of Jay in new mexico USA and myself here in Canada THANK YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I had no idea whats supposed to be there because my purchased vehicle 34 chev roadster is still sitting in Tennessee and will not be transported here until january 2012. You have opened my eyes as to how its supposed to look and whats supposed to be there.

Jay is almost finished his 34 roadster and needs the info on the front header bow and bracketry to continue.

Are there any other 34-35 chevrolet roadster or phaeton owners on this site who wish to chime in ??? You are welcome to join in on the discussion....knowledge is power.!!

AUZZIE DAVE.......did not realize at first that the pictures you posted were of the windshield post supports/ stanchions , great stuff as i had no idea it looked like that under there.

What I and Jay in New Mexico need are pictures of the front wooden header bow that sits on top of the windshield / windscreen so that we can see how it attaches to the windshield posts stanchion.

Thank you dave

mike lynch .........canada

Well a new question has now popped up . On 1934--35 chevrolet roadster and phaetons Canada & USA built under the windshield frame glass is a STAINLESS or CHROMED piece of metal that fits between the posts /stachions. This piece of metal is screwed down onto the cowl and it holds the windshield stop rubber strip that goes from side to side ( post to post ). Lynn steele makes the rubber replacement.

Question is.......besides the 1934-35 standard series what other years 1932, 1933 ???? also have this same piece of metal .
So does anyone have a spare.?? for sale or trade for?

mike -1--905-666-1656 call collect

Hi Mike,

This part is the same from 32 to 35, Master and Standard. If you would like me to send you a picture just let me know. At one time EMI made this part but I don't think any of them are around any more, I have one for my 32. You might try calling Bowtie.

Bruce

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Gassed auzzie dave....need pictures of the ROADSTER OR PHAETON HEADER BOW, the one that goes directly over the top of the windshield frame. Like on your ute top bows.

mike

Are you needing the part the would be similar to a corner bracket that attaches to the wood header and the top wood side rails ?

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VCCA SON....JAY HERTZ poster ....jdhhag.....in this thread is seeking information about what the part looks like. He can be contacted at jdhhag at comacast dot net

I also may be looking for pictures or to purchase the metal parts on the front top wood header bow over windshield.

thank you mike lynch
email me direct at mike350 at rogers dot com

This repost was too correct Jay Hertz email address...mike

I will get to the storage barn on Monday to get the parts that I have. I will then try to get a pic of what I have to post.

While there is all this talk about 1934-35 chevrolet standard roadsters.......is there a book specifically about this era of chevrolets with lots of pictures or how to restore one of these. Or is it learn how to as you go ?

mike

Mike... First off, welcome to the VCCA! I've been watching this thread, and believe me, hanging out here with these guys is like reading the how too book! A great source of information for your car would be to talk to David Longmuir, the tech advisor for '35 Canadian made Chevrolets. Let me know if you've been in contact with anyone from the Southern Ontario region... they really are a great bunch to get to know. How about some pictures of your car? Is it the yellow one that was on ebay with the different looking splash pan at the back?

YUP, Brewster----the Argentina assembled yellow one with the funky homemade gas tank cover that was on ebay. That be mine coming to ontario in 2012. Its awaiting DMV tennessee new title ownership..takes 4--6 weeks. Might not get shipped here until march to avoid parking in snow outside as am working on my other car right now. 2 car garage and one has to drive outside to park when working on other one.

Contact me direct for the pictures i copied off the ad. mike350 at rogers dot com .

There was also another but a 35 chev roadster that was sold from maryland at the same time, went for $10,801.00 was a good car. Another one sold from alabama was 2 tone green right hand drive from south africa where it was assembled, this appeared to be the best one, went for $22 G ? .

I have not been in contact with anyone in southern ont vva region, have not got G&D 1st issue yet. I used to belong to vcca USA back in 70's, never the region that i can remember.

mike

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BRUCE and other readers of this thread. I followed Bruces advice and googled bowtie reproductions then sent them an email inquiry. I received a reply from them dec 24 2011 and apparently the part is available but not chrome plated & with the rubber parts for $150.00 . Considering the difficulty with making one of these out of solid aluminum or stainless or metal , i consider it a bargain. According to another member who has a 34 std roadster the part should be 39 inches post to post. lynn steele rubber in denver NC makes both the glass stop rubber piece and the rubber gasket part that goes below the metal piece. They also produce the windshield post pads.

hope everyone had a good xmas.
MIKE

Should have responded earlier.Here are pics of the 35 Holden here that I restored. Definately a Holden body with a Jan 35 casting motor. Always been a left hand drive as the Holden dashes are welded in and this on has not been changed. No indication of ever having the steering gear on the right side either.Maybe built for export? Windshield posts were chrome when it came here. Also notice the rectangle cowl vent. Hope this helps.

Hi there,
this is a most interesting post, despite the fact that I am restoring a Holden bodied 4 door sedan 1934.

question 1:
I had to make a front seat , exactly as your in the picture.
How is it attached to the floor? I believe it was a fixed attachment? Some say it was also attached to the B pillar on both sides? if it was, would that be for structural strength?
I would like to make it with some adjustment, about 4 inches would be fine, has any one done that ?

Question 2:
I am attempting to install a new wiring loom, and in fitting the rear lights, cant see how the chrome bezel is fixed so it wont come off. Mine has a small slot at the bottom edge, does something go in there?

Question 3:
Do you have a picture of the firewall taken from the engine-bay side, to show where all the wires and cables enter and exit?

Any information would be greatly appreciated..

Peter

61 VERT..........i just spotted those pictures you posted, must have missed them as this thread moved down from the main page of current interest.

Excellent pictures of the wood header front piece and the attaching hardware. Gives people an idea of how these cars went together.

Another 6 weeks for my 34 roadster to sit in tennessee before it gets brought to its new home.

mike lynch

Dont wish to upset anyone but the way the windscreen is set up in these pictures is incorrect. This car is missing the two brass castings which are attached to the back of the top irons where they attach to the header bow. These castings have an upside cup appearance which go over the top of the windscreen post. Also the acorn nuts are incorrect on the windscreen posts. They should be wing nuts. You can see the correct ones in the photos sent in by gassedaussie. Please dont take offence 61vert but at some time that car was righthand drive. They were only made for the Australian market and were not exported. The only thing required to make it left hand drive is to drill two holes for the steering column and weld up the other two.

Ron, the owner of the grey touring has done a nice job on the car. The biggest problem is there is so few of these cars around and basically nothing to very little written about them or pictured to be able to actually restore one to 100% correctness.

The only way anybody can restore one perfectly is to purchase a car that is 100% there and is original from the original owner. Otherwise your just assuming whats correct.

Sure there is probably a few people on this site who have dug out info on whats correct, but are they writting a book or publishing online photos of their on going correct restoration ??? Thats whats needed for others to be able to follow their correct lead. Photo bucket & other sites are free and pictures can be posted there.

Its to easy to sit back and point the big finger and say , YA DIDN'T DO THAT RIGHT.!!!!!!!!!!

my opinion.............mike lynch

Hi Mike and Ron,

One thing you need to remember...in this post there are pictures of US body cars and Holden body cars mixed in. Each place did things different.

As to doing things right, there are many people out there that know what is right and wrong on these cars. You just need to talk and ask questions. No one has the time, ok I do now that I'm out of work, to create a manual since every body is different and every plant did something different. What I'm trying to say, the information is out there, you just need to look for it and talk with the VCCA TA who is very helpful. Between me and him we know more about 32 to 34 open cars then a lot of people.

Bruce

I would be interested in purchasing or at least seeing a picture of the brass castings that are missing on the gray car.

I will agree that the car could have been converted, but must have used another 35 as a donor car to come up with all of the pedal assemblies, park brake stuff, steering linkage and engine shields etc.

Never to old or to smart to learn something new.

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Have never posted images before so if these do not turn out could you send me your email address and I will send them to you direct. If you wish to contact me the address is rondaw1@bigpond.com.

The address for the photos does not appear to be correct or correct format. Can't find the photos even by cutting and pasting the address. Photos often have several address options that you can select you need to be sure that you have selected the one that is for the url for the photo so another computer can find it on the web.

My email is andys@albaughinc.com Pictures are appreciated. How hard would it be to find the parts? Probably impossible would be my guess. What years were the same?

From what i have read and the people i have contacted thru here........the USA and Canadian built / stamped body panels are different from the Australian GM HOLDEN built body. The windshield frame and the posts are also different too.

So it stands to reason that the other hardware to do with the top and ""the main body"" is different. Holden just made what they needed to make it all work properly.

I have noticed quite a few phaetons( 3--6 )over the last 4--9 years appear on ebay that were australian built. I guess while the auzzie $$$ was in the toilet and the canadian $$ also was only worth 60 cents to usa $ that it made it cheap to buy those open car vehicles and pay the shipping to the usa.

Exactly what those differences are, only one of the resident experts on this site can tell you 100%.

I am *not* one of them !!! mike

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Finding a donor car 1935 chevrolet standard series should have been fairly easy to do, to get the LEFT HAND steering column,steering arms for LH, left hand pedals, left hand emergency brake and other assorted small items like the frame heavy cast bracket for the pedal assembly and all the related brake mechanism parts.

Be easier to just plunk the roadster or phaeton body on a LH chassis. Too those that may not know.......the 34 standard has an inner K member and the 35 standard has an inner X member

mike

I beleive that bumpers and brackets are also different on the Holden cars in 35.

Ron, were you here for the 100 year celebration at Flint?

Hi Andy,
I did attend Springfield in 2001 and Grand Junction in 2006 but only for acouple of days each as I only had three weeks on both occasions and wanted to see as much of the country as I could. Did not make Flint.

I believe you are correct.
mike

I sent a better picture of the top irons on the 35 here to Ron after he sent me pics of the brass castings. Maybe he will reply here. The top irons on his tourer are very different than the top irons on this one. Mine resemble US made irons like on a 34 roadster that we have here in the collection.This car does have the 4 sided windshield post and 4 sided windshield frame. Confusing yes?

Not sure if any of these pictures will help but here you go
Basically a collection of 33 Chevy Phaeton photos I've collected and many many many of the phaeton I bought last summer to restore in excellent original condition

https://picasaweb.google.com/116743...etPhaeton?authuser=0&feat=directlink

just amazing pictures, tells it all.......

Peter, I have replied to both your emails but I dont think you are receiving them.