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Fisher Body, closed car, '32 Landau Phaeton, was there windlace on the leading edge of the doors?

You ask "leading edge" and your photo is the B pillar. So are you asking if there is windlace on the PILLAR? Yes, of course.. That's what keeps the air from coming in.

I'll try to post a picture.

Here's three Laudau Photos - showing an older restoration.

Don't know about the Landau but my 32 coupe has the thiner windlace on all four sides of the door. There is thicker windlace on the "B" pillar (latch side of door) but none up front on the "A" pillar. When the door is closed the windlaces butt together.

BBB,

I didn't have a photo of the A-pillar so I posted a photo of the B-pillar to get the discussion going.

The second photo you posted shows what I needed (the door panel with something like windlace on the leading edge of the door) and the detail of the side kick panel. Great photo!

The third photo draws out three questions:
1) Confirm that your photos are of a 31 Landau?
2) Was the flush mounted ashtray used in 32? I do not have cut-outs in my regulator boards and ashtrays I have are surface mounted.
3) The wood grain on the sill moulding in the photo appears to be a transfer with adhesive on the metal moulding. Is this so or is it painted on the surface?

1) Yes, I'm pretty sure that it's a '31. I'll look at my other photos later to confirm. But even if it was '32, then it would be the same. For all intents and purposes, they are identical.

2) Someone else will have to answer about flush-mounted ashtrays. My '31 also has the openings in the wood for an ashtray just like the one in the photo. That's the only kind that I'm aware of were in Landau's.

3) Yes, this car was restored a long time ago. The adhesive transfer hasn't held up very well. The correct finish should be wood-grain which is "painted" on the mouldings.

The ash trays for the 1931 Landau Phaeton were flush mounted and the ash trays for the 1932 Landau Phaeton were surface mounted.

By the way, the kick panel should be a heavy grained cardboard.

Also on that kick panel. Shouldn't that smaller diameter beaded edge continue up between the dash edge and the body?

Yep!

Huh???
Smaller diameter beaded edge that continued up between the dash edge and the body... got a photo?

BBB,

I will have the sills and the ashtray panel inserts walnut wood grain painted for the Landau which is what I beleive to be correct for this 32.

Where there any other painted walnut wood grain items that I haven't mentioned, JYD?

Okay, on the above photo of the kick panel....the kick panel itself should be a grained heavy cardboard. On the leading vertical edge is a smaller welting instead of the large welting shown in the photo. Where the welting is cut off at the top of the kick panel in the photo, the correct smaller welting extends up from that point and it is kinda sandwiched in between the leading edge of the instrument panel and the door pillar. The smaller welting continues up to the top of the instrument panel.

On the sill mouldings, those are aluminum, not wood grained. The sill mouldings go on top of the lower main sills under the doors. The pieces that you are talking about in the photo are called "window garnish mouldings", and yes, they are wood grained.

But were the garnish mouldings painted as "walnut" wood grain on the 32 Landau as I think they were and along with the ashtray panel inserts, was there anything else I should consider having painted the same?

(If I stay in here long enough I just might learn my "widgets" from my "what-uma-call-its", do ya think?)

As far as I can tell, only the four garnish mouldings were wood grained. The ash tray and holder are all cad plated.

Sound right JYD?

Nope! For 1932, the Landau Phaeton used the same ash receiver in the back seat as the sedan models. Same is true with the ladies vanity case as well. Both the ash receiver and the vanity case were walnut wood grained with a "sea shell" scroll design on the face of both units.

For the wood graining; the window garnish mouldings, the ash receiver and the ladies vanity case were all photoengraved, not painted. Those were the only items with wood graining.

I can get a photo, but a closed body (my coupe) is differant. It has the smaller welting extending up between the dash and body (A pillar) but attached to it is a narrow piece of the black cardboard used as a filler. The door opening (A pillar) is actually located about an inch more towards the rear.

JYD,

I have a photo of of a few ash receiver / vanity case inserts that you alluded to earlier.
1) Is the top item in the photo the "Sea shell" scroll design? If so...
2) The middle item, what model year would it belong to?
3) The bottom item has a plain flat face, is it an orphan?

(I like this "20-questions", no telling where it will lead you.)

Your photos are very dark on my computer therefore, they are really hard to make out due to the lack of detail.

The first and second photos I can't make out at all because they are too dark.

The third photo is also very dark but from what I can see it appears to be a 1931 ash receiver for the sedan models.

JYD,

Sent the photo via email. Maybe it won't be so dark...

or is it the Dawg's eyes aren't what they use to be?

Got the email. My eyes are fine, especially when it comes to viewing the female types. Your photos are coming through too dark. Even on my daughter's computer the photos are still too dark to show any detail.

:( :( :(

Then it has to be my camera (or the operator). I'll try taking another photo.

JYD tells me this photo is better...




and he says:

"The one on the left is 1931. The one in the middle I can't identify.
The one on the right is the "sea shell" design for 1932."

The Mutt

This is a good thing, I have two of the one on the right complete with backing plate and frame.

Thanks JYD.

So, dog... are you saying that a Landau potentially had the "insert" ash in the front passenger door,and then another one "flush mounted" at the passenger rear?

As you know my car was just pieces when I got it so I've got no previous info on this combination.

Bill,
Depends on the model year. The 1931 Landau Phaetons had insert an ash tray on each side between the back of the door and rear window riser handle. The 1932 LP models had the sedan type ash trays.

1930 Sport Coupe; 1931 Sport Coupe, Cabriolet and Landau Phaeton and 1932 Sport Coupe have the insert ash tray(s) (part number 4040500). All but the Landau Phaeton had one in the passenger door.

Hey Chipper,
The one and only ash tray in my '32 Sport Coupe is the narrow insert type w/lid just below the front windshield. I don't know if that Part # 4040500.
RayG