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What is the consensus of the VCCA members, would you rather tour or show your classic and antique Chevrolets?

You can easily do both of them on the same tour. Just needs some organizing.

We enjoyed the tours we have been on, having them judged is not high on my list.

I enjoy both aspects of the hobby a lot
John

My wife and I enjoy both showing our Chevys and touring in them. We also enjoy attending car shows that our Chevys aren't in. Finally, we enjoy the social aspect of the club and this hobby as well. I look forward to our Region meetings almost as much as a meet or tour. Its great to see our friends and interact with them. Yes, the cars are awesome and we enjoy them, but most of the time they don't talk back.

Completed our first tour in June and we had a good time,since I still work full time it is hard to fit in more than one tour a year.

I have never attended a VCCA meet to have either of my cars judged,just have not had the chance-bad timing etc.I think I would like to assist at a judged meet-be a runner and observe the process.I think it would be lots of fun,but,as far as having one of my cars judged,I doubt if I ever will.They are just drivers and not what I would consider as worthy of being judged.I do not,nor will I ever have the where-with-all or the disposable income to get either of my cars to meet judging condition.I know that there are two options,HPOCF and CDPC classes at meets,but,that doesn't do anything for me as they are mostly participation awards anyway.....kind of like getting a dash plaque from a local show and shine.

looking more like showing a car in VCCA is not that high on the list, or least not of the people on the fourm.

If your car is restored to original and your at the meet anyway why would you not have it judged??

If you are not having your car judged it leaves you free to look at all the other cars, go through the Swap Meet, or what ever turns you on. You will not have to stay out in the hot sun all day. It all depends on what you like to do and you are free to do it.

My limited experience in VCCA So. Cal. events suggests about 20-25% of the VCCA members at a club event have cars judged.

Of the judged cars I'd say 70% are normal, regular "drivers."

I've polled current members on a casual basis. Reasons for participating in VCCA "show/event" went like this;
{semi-prioritized}
Have Fun
See old friends
Meet new people
See the Cars
Shop {swap meet}
Share knowledge/ideas
Look for new ideas/info.
Show off car
Take a ride
Have a dog & coke
Enjoy the sunshine
Have car judged

Vast majority {75%+} of members say they have had fun or are looking forward to going on a VCCA tour. :vcca:

Enjoy the ride,
Michael41

When I joined the VCCA 40 years ago judging would have been on the top of the list....if you had a car that was completed/qualified. So many of todays "older" members have more or less been there and adone that and now enjoy the other events. This is not to say judging isnot an important factor at a meet.

I hear the same remarks from many "experienced" members. Judging at one time did seem to be more popular.

Recent VCCA survey showed similar views regarding judging.There were a lot of comments pertaining to "judged" events.

Well time does change cultures and events, including hobbies. But the members who like judging are still around. Just seems the number is not as large.

As noted, in So. Cal. we have some excellent judges {Larry P. Carmine P. & others}. They are wise to the ways of people, Chevrolet & judging. They show both fairness and knowledge which makes judging a fun and interesting experience.

Michael41

Sometimes we tend to forget that having your car judged is YOUR decision. If you have an issue about judging, don't enter your car to be judged.

I think that any club putting together a large meet should OFFER judging. Having your car judged in the NW is a challenge. The NW Meet is your only option. That means only one time per year, and it is a very slow path to progress through the various stages of the judging ladder.

Ray,Hats off to you this year running the Northwest meet judging, In Vancouver Washington. I have had my two Chevys judged at every meet that I have attended since having completed the restorations on them. I have found that having a car judged, Not to see If you are going to beat someone else, But to see what you have done right or wrong In your restoration. The fun thing I have found, Is the participation of other members and their friendship at the Judging events. I have asked some members why they do not want to have their car judged and almost always, They say, Well my car Is not good enough to be judged. My comment to them, Is that It does not matter what your score Is. Just participating and maybe finding out some things that may not be right on your car, Is a good way to find out and make corrections later If you want. Being at at a meet and participating Is just another way of having fun and also maybe being a judge yourself. This year at our northwest meet, All the cars were on the judging field In no perticular order, Instead of being lined up by class. This really worked out well and everyone was happy doing It that way. The judges for each class started at one end and found their cars as the walked along. The mixture of the cars was a big hit with everyone. Besides the touring which all the cars and people participate, In my opinion, The judging Is also a big part on meets. Being at a VCCA meet anywhere, How can It get any better

I would say having a car judged is "fun." If it's not fun for an owner to have his/her car judged, it'd obviously be best to just skip the judging.

I also think it's fun to be a judge.

I can't imagine a NW Meet that didn't have judging.

Further, I'm somewhat disappointed at Meets that don't have judging. Not disappointed enough to not attend, however.

Just my 2 cents....

My 2 cents is, I agree with Bill, Ray and others!

There's fun & friendships to be found at every VCCA event. I also have had my car judged two times. First time I took the card home, put it up on my wall and went to work changes,cleaning, modifying or restoring the items I lost points for.

After all my work I had it judged again and got less points {?}. And the deducation were correct. The reason for the difference is the first judge {s} did not take off enough points for Dual exhaust pipes, Chrome tips, incorrect tail pipe brackets & Split Manifold.

Two members were with me when {second judging} they announced the points and whispered to me, "Mike, stop working on your car, your loosing points."

Live & learn..

Enjoy the ride,
Michael41

The people who do the judging, Is anybody who wants to be a judge. Strictly by choice, As I have done a number of times. With the variety of different years of cars I have been placed In, And In a catagory of judging a car which I have no Idea about, Of what Is right or wrong. This happens because of the number of people who sign up to be a judge. As with any car being judged, I can see why certain things are over looked, And the next time a car Is judged, A different group of judges find other things that are not correct. For that reason, I do not know how the judging process can change when at whatever meet It Is, You only have the people there who volunteer to be a judge, Especially If they do not know anything or very little about the cars they are assigned to judge. Bottom line Is, Maybe the first time a car Is judged and very few points are deducted, Does not mean that the next time there may be more or less points deducted by a different group of knowledgeable judges who know more about the cars they are judging. Because all the judging Is strictly a volunteer thing,What other way would make It any better then the way we do It?

I have proposed in the past to have a special judging process for the VCCA for those people who want to have their vehicles be judged as accurately as possible. The owner/member would apply to the Judging Committee to have the special judging. I would have to be done several months prior to a meet. A judging team would be selected from volunteers that have knowledge of the particular vehicle year and type. They would know prior to the meet which vehicle(s) would be judged so they could prepare prior to arrival. They could also assemble the documentation on colors, part numbers, casting numbers, books, manuals to aid in the judging and bring them or copies to the meet. Then a special time would be set for the judging procedure to take place. Once finished the vehicle would be awarded a Special recognition. The vehicle would them become a standard recognized through out the VCCA.

It would take a bunch of planning and work to accomplish but I think worth the effort in providing an incentive to restore vehicles to the absolute best possible authenticity.

Good idea.

I have served as Chief Judge several times. Finding qualified judges (that will consent to judge) is a major problem. The only solution is to use those who will work with you and may not be EXPERTS in the class you assign them.

I always instruct my judges to be consistent. If you deduct a point that is not correct the overall result is still a correct ranking of the vehicle.

Selecting the BOS is a challenge. You can't go on the basis of score alone. You may however, use the score in gathering 2 or more vehicles for a second judging by more qualified personnel.