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I've got one for you all-has nothing to do with Chevrolets but it is about old cars.
My brother's friend has a rolling chassis for what he believes to be a 1917 Stinson.
The only Stinson reference I can find on Google or the internet is having to do with aviation. An airplane company and the flying sisters.
My dad said he thought he had heard of them but we'd like to come up with some more information and pictures.
Thanks-I'll get back to Chevy stuff the next time I promise!

I have a chart on the wall in the garage that lists all the automobiles manufactured in the last 80 years. That name is not listed. Sorry.

See you down the back roads.

There is no listing for Stinson, Stimson, or anything close to that in the "The Complete Encyclopedia of Motorcars, 1885-1968." This is a very complete and comprehensive (over 4000 makes of cars listed) source. I work in an academic library and have access to the old fashioned print sources. Contrary to popular belief, there is a lot of information in print and electronic forms [Invisible Web] not accessible through the standard Internet search engines. Best of luck in tracking this down!

Hi Tom,

I asked my automotive expert Bennie Dutton who retired from GM if he ever heard of the Stinson. He stated he saw one many years ago at Stone Mountain, Georgia. He has many reference books and is checking to see what he can find.

If he locates something I'll let you know.

Thanks for your help, fellas.

I just talked to the owner of the museum at Stone mountain GA and he has never heard of a stinson nor has he ever had 1. With all the cars that 1, 2 or 3 where only made. There might be some out there that arn't in the books. :confused:

My neighbor has a Dort. I had never heard of them until I saw it with my own eyes. A really cool looking car.

Hi Steve,

Did you mean "has" or "is" ? I couldn't resist!

Ah yes.....the Dort! Those puppies were built in Detroit between 1915-1924. :cool2:

Hey John.......don't ya mean "Dork"? ha ha!

You are sick!

:)

Here we go the Stinson was a station wagon (flying station wagon)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...egory=40051&ssPageName=WDVW&rd=1

It was called the "Stinson Station Wagon" but it was an airplane and had no relation to an automobile. Go here for some cool photos:

http://www.splons.com/m3/webpics/samples/sample1/

It was a good airplane!

Yes I'll bet!

Was the Voyager the same as the Flying Station Wagon or was that a different Stinson model?

From what I have read it appears that the Voyger and the Station Wagon were one in the same.

The difference in the Voyager and the Station Wagon was the The Voyager and the Station Wagon were one in the same. Station Wagon was finished in wood and the Voyager had carpet.
That's all stuff I have already found. I've gotten a real education so far.
It IS a car chassis-four wheels, engine, drive train and all just no body.
I think that hrndog19688 might have hit on it that there weren't many made. Also I was trying to find something on Eddie Stinson, the guy that did the plane's dad-that maybe he had something to do with the car.
Keep pecking boys we might find somthing yet.

Gentle men here is a car connection to one of the Stinson sisters, Katherin Stinson. I may be a long shot but could The Stinson's have played with the thought of branching out into the automobile business. They were using Knight engines.

The site this info cam from.
http://www.abheritage.ca/aviation/people/pioneers_katherine_stinson.html

In 1918, Stinson unexpectedly returned to perform at the Calgary Exhibition to make up for her poor showing the year before. She had been able to keep her presence a secret by assembling and flying her biplane from a golf and country club in Calgary to the exhibition site. She did this every day of the exhibition. During this time, it was announced that she would deliver the mail in her airplane from Calgary to Edmonton, a first for Western Canada.

In addition to her skills as a pilot, this Alberta fair favourite drove a race car, setting a new one-mile record for women car racers.

Click on the following link (or the one above) for the 1948 Stinson Station Wagon and you will see in the photos that this is an airplane built on an airplane chassis with two wheels, and the airplane had conventional landing gear. The airplane was made by Stinson Aircraft Corportation and later it was sold to Piper. The engine was a Franklin 6A4-165-B3, and it developed 165 horsepower. And, apparently around 5,000 Stinson Voyagers/Station Wagons were made.

http://www.splons.com/m3/webpics/samples/sample1/

Here is the complete history of the Stinson Voyager/Station:

Stinson 108 Voyager/Station Wagon Background:
The Stinson Aircraft Corporation grew out of the Stinson Aircraft Syndicate formed by Eddie Stinson in 1926. The company produced a number of aircraft including the Detroiter, Junior, Trimotor, Reliant and Vigilant. The Voyager grew out of the 1939 Model 105, a three seater powered by a 75 or 80hp engine. In 1941, by which time the company had become a division of Vultee Aircraft Inc (which in turn became part of Consolidated Vultee), the Model 10 Voyager was introduced. The Model 10-A featured a wider cabin, along with changes to the interior and equipment, and was powered by a 90hp Franklin 4AC-199-E3 engine. About 750 of these were produced, along with a few 75hp Lycoming GO-145-E3 powered Model 10-B. Six aircraft powered by 80hp Continental O-170-1 engines were supplied to the USAAF for evaluation as the YO-54. Accepted for service, this became the hugely successful L-5 Sentinal.

At the end of the War in August 1945, the Model 108 was rolled out with an eye to the potential civilian market. This was a four seat aircraft with cleaner lines than the earlier model, and incorporated an number of improvements derived from the manufacturers militart experience. The initial model was the Voyager 125 powered by a 125hp Avco Lycoming. This was followed by the 108-1 Voyager 150 with a Franklin 6A4-150-B31 powerplant. A utility version was also produced known as the 'Station Wagon' which could be fitted with floats or skis. The 108-2 featured the 6A4-150-B3. The 108-3 Voyager 165 had the more powerful 165hp 6A4-165-B3, a larger vertical tail and increased fuel tankage.

Stinson had produced more than 5000 Voyagers by mid-1948, when the civil light aircraft market slumped as the US Air Force disposed of its surplus stocks. In November of that year, the Stinson division was sold to Piper, who continued to market the aircraft. However, production was cancelled in the following year.

New Zealand's Stinson population has been very small. A pre-war built Reliant SR-10C (c/n 3-5902) ex NC21133, BS803, G-AGZV, VP-KDV) was imported in 1954 as ZK-BDV. The five seater was operated by James Aviation, but was unfortunately destroyed by fire at Rotorua in September 1957. A related model, a Stinson Vigilant L-1C-VU (c/n? ) 40-283 is stored in a damaged condition in Auckland. The remainder have all arrived during the 1990's.

ZK-NCC (c/n 108-3752 ex N752C) is a 1947 built Model 108-3. First flown on October 29, 1947, the aircraft went initially to R.L. Brown in Portland, Oregon before going to L.T. Pacini in Redwood City, California. The aircraft stayed in California, with next owner was R.B Everitt of Magalia in 1976, and then A.L. (Tony) Wright of Meadow Vista. He restored the aircraft, and installed a 220hp Franklin engine. The aircraft was cancelled from the US register in November 1997, becoming ZK-NCC on November 25th. The aircraft is registered to AgPower Sales (NZ) Ltd, and is airworthy at Waipukarau
ZK-STN (c/n 108-3585 ex N785C) is a 1947 built Model 108-3. The aircraft was initially registered to George Tilit in Montana, where it spent much of its life, later passing to Flying CDC Int of Helena. In April 1979 the aircraftwas registered to R.E.Lewis of Deer Lodge, before passing to J.J.Payer Jnr of Forsyth in July, 1981. The aircraft moved to California, being registered to C.J.Smith of Santa Paula in December 1995. The US registration was cancelled in March, 1996 with the aircraft becoming ZK-STN on March 20. First registered to AgPower Sales (NZ) Ltd, the aircraft now belongs to J&N Partners, and is airworthy at Hastings.
ZK-VGR (c/n 108-2317 ex N9317K) is a 1947 built Model 108-2. The aircraft has spent much of its life in California, originally being registered to W.A.Hall of Burbank. In 1970 the aircraft passed to D.M.Winkler of Van Nuys, before going to M.I.Hall of Burbank in 1971. In July 1972 the aircraft again went to a W.A.Hall of Burbank. The aircraft stayed there until May 1993 when it was registered to N.MRogers of Sylmar. The US registration was cancelled in February, 1996 with the aircraft becoming ZK-VGR on March 20. The aircraft was registered to H.H.Ross, and is airworthy at Hastings.

Stinson AT-19 Reliant

That AT-19 is a beauty!!!

Really nice!

Right on.