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Hi

I've been shopping over the weekend. I'll put some pictures later, when I get those into server. Anyway, I noted some cast numbers that We'd like to get some information. These engines are in my uncles carrage.

a -28 engine attached to later truck transmission. This one I bought
Serial no: T5065614
cast:
348532
"bowtie" 14
E 17 8

an empty block
C 16 7
346709
"bowtie"
"shamroc"

Other -28 engine I bought
serial no: T 386692(2or8or9) (last number was badly stamped)
34(3or9)532-6
"bowtie"
K 9 7

This one I was only able to read the serial no
3095759

This -28 engine is in the half ton truck, that seems older to me. No front brakes, older type front axle and round speedometer.
Serial no:
T 4133479
cast no:
348532
"dotted bowtie" 3
A 26 8
The radiator had a brass badge that included the numbers:
284H - 1928

Wat do these numbers tell you? Especially is eiher of the engines I bought from person car? The other interesting question is whether the engine in the truck is actually from that car.

Pics tomorrow, I'll promise.

In the order listed:

May 17, 1928

March 16 1927

November 9 1927

January 26 1928

The radiator is also 1928

Here is the picture of my shoppings



The pictures of the engines were blurry and You've most likely seen a few pictures of engines, so there would be nothing new. However, these mudguards need to be identified. They are both from Chevy and are identical. Only the lenght of the part that goes over the frame is different. Can you help us?



Also I need to date this frame part. Rear is missing, but it is not a -28.




My uncles truck is frame ready, almost driveable.



The -28 half ton truck is waiting for her turn. This car started my uncles interst for Chevy fours when he found it at the late 70's.



He is specialised on restoring steering wheels and he has done them to several old cars in Finland. The one he is just working for is from 1898 Wanderer prototype! Here is a couple of Chevy examples. In the other one all wooden parts are new, in the other some blocks are original and some new.




Thanks for the dates Ray. I actually got the clue now. Is it possible to identify the car that the engine is been assembled by the serial number? I have the original licence plate to above pictured half a frame, but it is not a -28. If I can somehow identify, which engines are from personal and which from truck, it would help a lot in looking for id to my car. Basically I need to choose a plock that is from a personal, since I cannot register my car as a truck.

Fenders appear to be '27 with short front and '28 with longer front.

I found a pdf file written by Ken Kaufmann and David Hayward "Chevrolet casting numbers from 1924 to 1928". What a source of information. There it was clearly stated how truck blocks have a T prefix in the serial number. All my blocks appear to be from truck. What are the differences between AB and a truck engines? I understood that at least the pistons are different. Am I right?

I have sent your question to Arvid/Bluezone.

Even if CCON (Chevrolet Club of Norway) itself does not have much written in English, you should join our club. We have collected a lot of English information, manuals etc. and have more than 250 part-suppliers for Chevrolets.

May be you could be our Finnish technical adviser, too?

I'm warming up the old post a little.

I got the copies of the very interesting documents in my hands last week. It is the sales records of the GM from the Vaasa county in Finland. This hand written document has all the GM cars sold to the county from 1926-1930. It lists: make, Model, engine no, chassis no, pursue date, sale date and buyer and address. I found the information of one of my engines. it is the one with over 5 million serial number above. It is just interesting that the cast date is E178, i.e. 17th of May 1928, but according to the records the car is been sold to the dealer in February 1929 and it is one of the last four cylinder Chevys sold. So sometimes it takes surprisingly long time from factory to the dealer.

Could you scan and send me a copy, please?

:vcca:

Where did you get copies of those?
The GM archive or?
I'd love to have something similar for the st louis plant.

From friend who copied them from friend who copied them from...
The originals are probably in the county archive.

The record gives a good image to the traffic at that time. Most of the sold cars are Chevys. Pontiac and Oakland is been sold less than ten per year and only one Cadillac is been sold during these 4 years. Still we must remember that the document is missin some 10 pages, so it is not exactly complete. Interestingly there is no any information about Buick and Oldsmobile They must be listed in the separate document.
The used cars list had some interesting cars such as AGA, Peerless and La Salle.

It was also interesting to note that quite a few Imperial Landau models was sold but I don't know any preserved here.
By the way, what is the difference between imperial landau and landaulette, and touring and special touring?

I might be able to add some information to this. The only differences on the commercial engine compared to the passenger car is as I can see is the flywheel/clutch and the water pump pulley/fan.The pistons are mentioned before. At least this is what i have seen on my different engines.
When it comes to the difference between the other models I have the original brochures from GM Copenhagen for the Passenger car, and one for the Commercial/Truck. Finland probably got the cars from Stockholm assembly plant and the specs they delivered might vary.
The models stated from Copenhagen are : Standard Touring , Special Touring, Sport coupe , Standard Coupe , 4 door sedan and Landau Sedan.
The difference between Special Touring and standard Touring is stated as follows:
Leather interior, wing windows nickel plated, front and rear bumpers , luggage rack (behind rear spare wheel). nickel plated gear lever, nickel plated handbrake lever, nickel plated steering wheel tube, nickel plated fan,nickel plated accelerator pedal, automatic windshield wiper.
Also some other small detail as nickel plated cover on generator cut out, Special Touring is pictured with Artillery wheels with pinstripe in brochure( which might be artistic liberty) , aluminum kick plates on the splash aprons.
It states that 4 door sedan has the same nickel plated details.
I have a original parts book from Copenhagen which list all the "one off" parts for the special Touring.

This is what I have found out from my research of the subject. I have also seen a copy of a brochure from Stockholm which also lists the Special Touring as a model with what looks to be the same specs. Part of the reason for the use of all this plating on these cars might be that the Copenhagen plant opened a new plating shop that year?
Hope this might be of some help.
Stig

Yes Stig, the cars are likely from Stockholm plant, but some more special models may as well be from other plants like Copenhagen.
The different models I found from the list are:
Touring
Special Touring
Sedan (4dr)
Coach (2dr)
Imperial Landau
Landaulette
Sport Coupe
Coupe Cabriolet
Roadster
Truck
commercial chassis