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When being judged do they check the under side of the car like how the wiring is secured to the car and how gas lines are run I have asked questions on wire clamping but I'm still think it is safer to run wiring thur insulated clamps or us frame clips and plastic ties to keep the wires secured.
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The undercarriage is one of 4 major divisions on the judging sheet. So, yes, those are items that will be judged.  
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The chassis is one of the four areas that are judged. Because of low light and difficulty in seeing much of the frame and underside it does not typically get more than a casual look. Many VCCA judges are not well versed on the vehicles they judge and are instructed not to deduct unless that are sure a part is not correct. So the chassis point deduction is based more on condition than authenticity.
Besides how many VCCA judges know that Chevrolet used brass gas lines on '29 and earlier vehicles? Vibration and other stress cracked them so very few survived many years. Most were replaced by copper. Later tinned steel lines were factory installed. These also were typically replaced with copper when they failed or were damaged.
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when i had our 39 chevy woodie judged(VCCA) several years ago, none of the judges bent down, much less laid on the ground, to inspect the chassis.Same experience with AACA judging. i'd guess the two sets of judges spent less than 5 minutes judging our woodie. At the other extreme, NCRS judges(10 per division) typically spend 8 hours judgings 8 or fewer corvettes in that division.mike
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At the Anniversary Meet in '86 at Santa Rosa I lost points for surface rust under the body in my '48 Cabriolet. When I returned home I found no surface rust under the body just the original orange red primer.
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I have been judging cars, at various meets for multi-make cars, for over fourty years and have never reviewed a car that I did not take a careful look under the car both front and back. How else could you see oil drips, poor workmanship and yes, rust. I have yet to meet a judge that would not know the difference between rust and primer and where to see each. This is my humble opion and I am not saying it did not happen. I am for full disclosure on any item that I see and identify during the judging process and have learned a lot in the process. However, I have made some tough calls and been both right and wrong.
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The chassis is one of the four areas that are judged. Because of low light and difficulty in seeing much of the frame and underside it does not typically get more than a casual look. Many VCCA judges are not well versed on the vehicles they judge and are instructed not to deduct unless that are sure a part is not correct. So the chassis point deduction is based more on condition than authenticity.
Besides how many VCCA judges know that Chevrolet used brass gas lines on '29 and earlier vehicles? Vibration and other stress cracked them so very few survived many years. Most were replaced by copper. Later tinned steel lines were factory installed. These also were typically replaced with copper when they failed or were damaged. Just a safety note for consideration. The chemicals in gas have a direct reaction with copper and will pick the weakest point in the copper and eat through. I have seen several engine fires because of the use of copper. I have no problem with steel or brass but I would suggest no one use copper.
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When I had my 31 coupe judged for the first time this year at the Tustin, Ca VCCA show there were five judges and one of them was carrying a creeper and he got down on it and looked under my car.
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That was me Sal. And your car looked as nice underneath, as it did "on top."
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Thanks Mike, I guess that I missed you going under my car with all of the other judges there. I thought that it was another judge that had the creeper. Happy New Year to you also.
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