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I just received my June G&D and on page 10 is the following: Motion 06-41:Authorize the establishment of a Non-Geographic Region "Chat Chapter". At the top of page 11 is "Vote on Motion 06-33". I am assuming that should read 06-41 as the Vote on Motion 06-33 preceeded Motion 06-14. If my assumption is correct, then Motion 06-41 passed. Again, if my asssumption is correct, what is the next step in getting the Chat Chapter going? I was one of the charter members to sign up for the Chat Chapter if it ever came to fruition and would very much like to see it come into being. Beamer

And me too!!!

What's up Chat Chapter Prez??

Last time I saw anything about the Chat Chapter, we were going to wait for the "official" announcement before doing anything............seems like we're ready to do something now........can't get any more "official" than being in print in the G&D. :)

It is my understanding that one of the board members has been sitting on the Charter/Region forms and, to date, we still have not received either the forms or "official" written notification from the VCCA BOD regarding the new Chat Group. Many emails have transpired in the past few months (and up to as recently as June 5th regarding the official notification and the forms) and we are still in a holding mode. Even though the approval was mentioned in the G&D that still does not make things official until we get the forms and the notification. There was also the issue as to the new Chat Chapter being part of Chevy Chatter II (which it isn't) and also the confusion as to the what the correct name of the new non-geographical region should be. The VCCA Prez has been stirring the pot trying to get things done, but he also has hit road blocks from what I understand.

Ray (our secretary and creator of the Chat Chapter) will probably post additional information here as well.

Any of you dudes out there want to be officers and carry on with this?

:) :grin:

Not sure if I'm up to it or could be of any help, never thought of myself as Officer material, but whatever I can do to help......
KS

Hi all.

I was also further disgusted by the minutes published in the June G&D. After the emails that went back and forth, as Skip mentioned in May and as late as early June, we still don't have "official notification". The G&D continues to print, or misprint, information regarding "The Chat Group".

I can not see why the Board or the G&D can not get this straight. Anytime the Board or the editors of the G&D have published anything about the Chat Group they seem to leave out answers or get information WRONG! ...Hello? Members are waiting...and the rest of the membership is reading this stuff!

On the application form and packet we included everything that was needed to start a non-geo region. We made sure that every "t" was crossed and every "i" was dotted. I can't understand why the BOD and the G&D can not do the same.

It has been almost a year that this was a started and I hope all of you can understand our (the Chat Group Officers) frustrations.
From the recluctantcy to understand just what we wanted to be, to the bogus election results the first time, to miss-information published in the G&D, and now outright complacency, or on purpose fogetfullness, this process has not been a pleasant experience.

I thought it would be fun...!

For these reasons, in frustration, some of the Chat Group Officers have indicated that they no longer want to deal with the BODs.

This is not an official closure on my part. However, it is a calling to the rest of you guys to perhaps change drivers. I'm out of gas on this and so is Skip. I'm not sure about Chipper, or LouisC.

I hope the Chat Group dose get organized and we all have a great time with it. Count me in! I also want to follow thru on anything that still needs to get done to get it rolling. But as for me directly dealing with the BODs, I'd rather take my car for a ride.

RayG

Hey VCCA BOD,
Are you listening? Are you concerned with the inaction? Do you understand the frustration of the membership? You have been talking about doing things different How about walking the talk?

Ray, Skip, Chip, and the other officers:
we elected you guys and your names went in on the list, we need you guys to stay on. Please don't give up now. It isn't any of your fault. It will cause another big delaying action now to change what went in with the charter. We can have another election in October or November and install new officers for 2008 in December if you decide you don't want to put up with the harrassment it seems we are getting.
Several of us probably will have completed obligations that kept us from running for a Chatter office by then.

Howdy -

I feel your frustration, believe me. I have been asking for someone on the Board to reveal to me who holds the actual Charter Certificates - the blank forms - which are very simple to fill out, sign and mail to your Director as identified on the application. This would represent the "official notification" you are talking about.

Finally, after more than a month of asking, I learned about a week ago that these forms were in the possession of the outgoing Secretary, and that he has now forwarded multiple boxes of materials to do that job on to the new Secretary.

I have already asked Steve Scott (the new Secretary), as soon as he gets these boxes, to please quickly get a form to Joe Smith. Joe is the Board member that received the original Application and represents "non-Geographic" regions on the Board. Joe will fill in the blanks & mail it to me - I will sign it & and mail it on to your authorized Region Director.

It's a comin...... hard to move forward in the face of non-responsiveness from those who hold the actual items, but now we have control of the situation at last.


Don W
Prez

Yeah, anything worthwhile is worth waiting awhile for.

As The president of the US told the American Indian Chiefs up in the big teepee in Washing-a-ton in Dee-of-Cee:

" When Pigs fly, boys"

When the guys got back home, The old Chief told his people..."Just once around the Capitol Dome Arnold, and we shall build gambleing casinos all over this land!" (OWTTE)or would it be (OWTTA)?

HI YO Silver and Gold!

...? NO! Hog's behinds are HAM...but is straight from the shoulder!

Macky Wacky: Ray, myself and possibly the other officers have been through enough with the "politics" of the BOD in the past year in trying to get the Chat Chapter accomplished, therefore Ray and I will not continue on as officers. I can't speak for Chipper or Gator as to if they are going to continue however. I know that Ray has worked is butt off on this, and he is very dedicated to the chat group, but, as he mentioned previously, he will no longer deal with the BOD. I feel the same.

Since we are still not an "official" Chat Chapter or set up as a voting entity as of yet we can still change the "appointed" officers. If you or others want to step up to the plate and take over the formation of this Chat Group that's great. Also, keep in mind that getting this done is a serious undertaking, and once the Chat Chapter is formed it will still be very time consuming....and most likely, further issues with the BOD will probably still exist.

:) :grin:

If I believed in conspiracy theories I would say “they” have now won…

I want us to win so I have not quit on Chat Chapter.

Come on guys, it is like restoring a classic Chevy…we don’t give up because it gets hard or dirty or bloody…it is one small step at a time (and a bottle of 101 proof Wild Turkey)…

Let’s take a deep breath and give Chat another chance…OK????

Skip,
Most of the Officers we elected, are well experianced and deserve our thanks. Some folks are willing and able to serve, and others aren't that is just the way it seems to work out. The really hard work of several of the above named folks has accomplished the intended goals for a Chatter Charter.
I am sorry that some of you are not interested in serving due to some things that happened. Thanks for what you did....

I am quite aware of the responsibilities of serving on the BOD of a VCCA Region. There have been good times and some setbacks with out Region as happens in all volunteer staffed organizations. I have served on the LSR BOD for about 8 years in elected jobs from board member to Region Director. I probably will serve another 8 years Lord willing Etc., Etc..

I do think, speaking for myself, that serving on a Regional BOD is more rewarding than serving on the National Board. The Regions of VCCA are where the rubber meets the road, The Regions along with a minority of the at large members, furnish the leadership that allows VCCA to continue growing and showing.

This Chatter group can serve both classes of members. We really are the only place many VCCA members can consider as their home region because of several circumstances. That is also true about VCCA and the VCCA.org and vccachat.org web sites that, alone, serve us and are the only Chevrolet club and web sites that is home to those that consider a restoration as "restoreing a vintage Chevrolet car or truck to ORIGNAL condition, fresh from the dealership". It is my intentions to work to keep VCCA as the primary Club that preserves and restores vintage Chevrolets. The second part is that I intend to work to support those loyal members that feel the same way as I do, by providing new services and family oriented events to attract new younger members and their growing familys.
We will face many challanges that haven't been faced by the traditional VCCA Regions.

If we must reorganize then we will do what is necessary. I will be pleased to serve in any capacity the members here ask.
We ask all of you to please help us go on forward. We do have several VCCA National Board members that have went the extra yard and helped the Chatter group organize and get National approval. I ask them for their continued support and assure them that we will not dissapoint them for their support.

Gator: You are an officer of the "unofficial" Chat Chapter and your valued input to the rest of the officers regarding this issue is appreciated. Preferably, this communication should take place through email to us first instead of here on the open forum. All email between the BOD and the officers in the past few months was forwarded to you and, to date, you have not responded with your views. If you have any input regarding the issue at hand please do so by email to all of the officers first before posting it here on Chevy Chatter. It would be most appreciated.


:) :grin:

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Now I am confused; what have I said that I should not have????

My posting was to all of the members of Chat Chapter NOT a message just for the 'officers' of the Chapter and according to your post which I replied to the only Officers left would be myself and Chipper since in your post you said you and Ray have quit your positions in Chat Chapter.

QUOTE from your post:



You said you will not continue as an officer of Chat Chapter and then you say I should email you first because

So which one is it?

Are there some secrets in my post that no one is supposed to know???

There was NOTHING in the emails that were copied to me that had any action items in them, what was I suppose to do with them????

I have had many emails and PMs with Ray about Chat Chapter during the entire process.

What is going on here?????

MY POSTING WAS SIMPLLY INTENDEND AS A WORD OF ENCOURAGEMENT TO ALL MEMBERS OF CHAT CHAPTER, NOT AS SOME SORT OF AN OFFICIAL SECRET MESSAGE THAT SHOULD BE SENT TO THE ONE REMAINING OFFICER (Chip) BESIDES ME OF CHAT CHAPTER. I don't see how you could take my posting any other way...

PS… According to your last post shouldn't you have used a PM to me instead of a "public" posting??

Gator:

I am not suggesting that there are some sort of "secret" issues that need to be kept out of the public forum. I just merely meant that because you are an officer, it would be proper protocol to bring your concern for Ray and I deciding not to persue the role as officers to us personally and not out into the open forum. All this does (which seems to have already started) is allow it to look like "they" have won and not that there are serious issues as to why we have decided not to stay officers. We should all be working together for a positive outcome, whether we are officers or not.


I did say that we will not be continuing as officers, but if you had concerns about us not being so, you should have discussed this with us in private first...instead of making it look like we are letting "them" win. When I was President, I did not receive any correspondence from you in regards to concerns you had regarding the ongoing issues with the BOD and the lack of official notification. Nor did I hear that you had any private correspondence with any of the fellow officers.

There's no need to meticulously quote me or get offensive from what I said. I just simply want us to all (as former and acting officers) follow proper protocol and keep any of these issues or complaints out of the open forum. There is no need for it.

Just as you said, let's all just take a deep breath and regroup. I hope you agree that we shouldn't waste anyone's time with arguments. If you are still "confused", PM me directly since there is no need to continue this discussion here.

:) :grin:

Lets not be so quick to blame the G&D...The editor can only print the material that she is provided...So, lets not shoot the messenger :)

Gene,
Read what was printed in the G&D regarding the Chat Chapter.
Any editor worth his salt would see that the information is INCOMPLETE.
In his head, he should have asked the BODs "what's up with this?"
Then if not given the answer he should have choose not to print the information at all. Which leads me to believe that he does not know for sure (like us) if the chat chapter was approved or not.
RayG

Holy Cow!!!!


How I hate the politics!!!!!


It is very discouraging to see this kind of thing happening, especially with all the fine folks involved and all the work they have put into this.

I'm just gonna spin wrenches on the 48 from now on.
Too bad........it coulda been a good thing.

Ken48, like Hargar said to Fast Willie "I think it will work out ok." KAAAZZZIIIINNNNG, Splat! Thud! CRUNCH!!

Ken48, I agree with you. As I reviewed the latest on this thread (that I started by the way) and came to the one that indicated others should step up to serve, I thought I would do just that. However, after reading all the posts, I am with you as it is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer that there is already dissension among the leadership. It is more fun to get grease up to my armpits than to get involved in hassles. I am too old for that!! Beamer

Ken, Beamer, and others.

It's not over by any means. According to the VCCA Prez and fellow Chat Group charter member the Chat Group NGR is approved and the official notice is comming soon. (I hope)

I will post it here as soon as I, or Skip receives it.

Skip and I are still officers elect until replacements can be found from the charter membership. Both of us have posted here that we would like two charter members to say they are willing to take over the positions of President and Sectretary as soon a possible.

It may appear like we a jumping ship, but that is not the case. The "elected" officers did everything possible to make this happen. Skip and I both want to remain as members of the Chat Group and will contribute to the best of our abilities.

To my knowledge there is no dissension amoung the ranks. Maybe a little personality conflict but all the officers are united in that we want only the best for this Group.

The officers have spent many hours typing emails and waiting for replys. We both have worked on all your behalf. The Chat Group is formed, paperwork filed, fee's paid, backrooms visited, and roadblocks knocked down.

Committees need to be formed, ideas implemented, etc.

Now it's up to you guys to make this Group the best it can be.
You all got what you wanted so now run with it.

Get involved!


RayG

In the light of recent posts it would be best if all office bearers remain until the initial paperwork has landed and all is official then hold elections to determine the replacements from there.
Tony

Hi Tony,

All of the original office bearers are still in place. Rest assure that if replacements are found, the procedure will follow the Region's and the VCCA By-Laws.

Also any changes that are currently being discussed are changes that should be made in the best interest of the Chat Group.

RayG

So what is happening? any word as to the location of the VCCA Charter? Don't you officers have a list of the Charter members? can't you send out an email to those on the list as to what the status really is?