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I found the following numbers stencilled on the frame of my '34 Master Sport Sedan:
AOS 3-27-34 -5N

THe date is obvious. Is AOS A.O. Smith? And what about the -5N?

Thanks, Landman

AOS = A.O.Smith Co.They made frames for Chevrolet and many others.Was located here in Milwaukee.They are out of the automobile business but still make hot water heaters.
3-27-34 is date frame made.
The 5N ?.May be shift number or ?

That stencil is also on the frame of MY Sport Sedan but a later date.You must have a very early Sport Sedan as they were introduced mid year.

That is possible, however it is a Canadian car.

Its serial number is : 641925
Body serial number is : 74
Engine number is : 4052528 which matches the data plate
Engine casting nmber is: 1776846 D304

I'm using it as a parts car.

Landman

Any chance you could take a picture of those numbers & e-mail them to me at jiaccino@cox.net? Thanks, Joe

Yes sir Joe,

However you'll have to wait until my film is done. I'm still old tech on that front.

I've noted your email.

Best regards, Pat

The only other thing possible is that A.O. Smith had a factory in Canada.

Gene,

I don't believe A.O.Smith had plants in Canada, however everything is possible. It is quite possible that frames were sent to the three Canadian factories from a US plant.My car was from out West. It would be interesting to see if it was made in Regina.If there is a GM Canada historian out there, maybe he could clarify some of this.

Gene, do the numbers I posted for the engine, car, body ect. look like anything you are familiar with?

Oddly enough, I used to work for a pipeline company who had line pipe from A.O.Smith in parts of its system.

Pat (Landman)

Pat,
The numbers are Canadian.The person that can help you with some of them is David Hayward.He is in England, and appears on this site under that name.He is a non-American Chevrolet numbers guru.

A.O.Sith may have had factories in other cities also.They made frames for many makes of cars and it would be difficult to believe that our Milwaukee plant produced them all.When the stopped making frames they sold out to Tower Automotive and they have moved out of Milwaukee also.Problem is very few cars have a frame today.Just trucks.
In the late "50's three different companies made frames for Chevrolet alone.All were slightly different also.

Pat
I can tell you a little about what you've posted. If you want to post more of the tag, i'll break it down. I can't touch the trim
number, but i can do paint now..........Joe

Its serial number is : 641925
Body serial number is : 74
Engine number is : 4052528 which matches the data plate
Engine casting nmber is: 1776846 D304

Serial number applies the the vehicle. The numbers are consectutive
Body number is, it's the 74th of what ever the model is.
The next is engine seriel number
Block casting different from US cars. Block was cast April 30th
1934.

Sounds likely that Smith supplied Oshawa, Ontario plant to me. By the way, Regina, Sask did not re-open for assembly after 1931 until December 1937.

Is the Job No on the build plate 195 for Sport Sedan? The car is as you know a Master or Maitresse Series D.A. The serial number and engine number fit in with known details but the block casting number is new to me! Is there a mark on the block nearby such as "HW" or similar or a Chevy bowtie?

The 1776846 block casting is particular to Canadian vehicle according the the General Motors History web site. This casting number matches the Canadian 34 master engines I have....Joe

I have got a terrible memory then!

http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/chevytalk/GMhistory/1934motors.html

says it all...from the chap that wrote it all so long ago now!

Yes, I find it easier to look up the info on my own website!

David
Don't be so rough on yourself. We all have our moments.....Now let's see....What was i doing?.....Joe

Just helped out the DMV in Las Vegas with a Canadian car that's "customised". That one I knew off the top of my head!!

Joe, David,

Here is the rest of it:

1934 Model 175
Trim: 115
Body Job: 34 552
Paint: 1405

Joe that's the one I had mentioned when you were looking for the blue on your sedan delivery.

My reason for calling the car a Sport Sedan wasn't based on numbers, I assumed all trnk sedans were sport sedans.

I can email the pencil rubbing of the tag I have or a scan of the tag itself for that matter.

Pat

Pat

The Sport Sedan has a built in trunk.Its not added on.The tail lamp is mounted with the rear bumper to the frame and not out on the back of the fender.The rear quarter window is in one piece and cranks out.The regular 4 door has the front of the quarter window crank out and the rear half stationary.The Sport Sedan quarter window is smaller and the roof is shorter.The rear bumper is bolted to forged extensions that are attached to the rear of the frame rails as the lower body is longer due to the trunk.

.

I emailed you a picture of my Sport Sedan and the message could not be delivered.Is the address in your profile correct?

Hi Gene,

The address in my profile is wrong and the program won't allow me to change it. It says that email address is already in use. The good one is: ampl@ntl.sympatico.ca

Besides, the car is a sports sedan. It has (had) a built-in trunk and all the features you described.

Best regards, Pat

Pat
GM of Canada refers to your car as a Special Close Coupled Sedan. There in no US equal. Job # 34552 is Canadian. The US probably has something close.

As for the paint, it's Burgundy Maroon. This includes body, fenders & wheels....some of the first mono-chromatic cars.

I can't do anything with trim numbers yet.

Sounds like an interesting car

........Joe

This info is extremely interesting! The Job No 175 was according to my notes "5-PASSENGER CLOSE-COUPLED SEDAN" and weighed 3265 lbs new, costing $C920. However I had thought that it was the equivakent of the Town Sedan and was Fisher 34 581. Then again I thought Job 162 was " 5-WINDOW 5-PASSENGER SPECIAL COUPE 34558" but a known Town Sedan 162, Fisher 34 58x (581?) soI am stumped!