VCCA Home Forums GENERAL DISCUSSION VCCA Judging Questions Vcca judging of engine years

Dawg: i wouldn't mind compiling the casting and pad data but i'm gettin too old and cranky to go thru a bunch of political BS to try convincing the judging committee that the data would level the judging playing field. if they want me to proceed, they'll have to get in touch with me. regards, mike

Totally understandable and that's how a lot of us feel regarding the politics. At any rate, Chipper Dipper already tried with a card listing of all of the casting numbers, engine numbers and etc. for the various years and he was stopped cold by the judging committee from what he says. Too bad, because with this type of information it would make the present judging system more professional.

Guys & Gals,
As an example, below is a proposed engine card for Class G which is 1929-30 passenger. Similar cards could be available in the packet of information given the the Judging Team Captain. The judge for engines could refer to it to quickly get the "numbers". To get a copy that you can actually read, right click on it and copy the photo to your computer and then print it.

Other classes might have more engine options and therefore more lines but can probably use the same format.

Chipper Dipper: The engine information card is great! It give lots of details regarding the specific engine for the year in question, and it makes the judging process so much easier and more professional. The new "wrong engine" ruling definitely takes the judging system a giant step backwards, and it still amazes me that the BOD let this happen. At any rate, the judging committee should take a look at the engine card idea again and realize that something such as this would not only make the judging process more efficient, but would help to make the judging system more accurate as well.

Does anybody have a list of people on the "Judging Comitte"? How did they get on it? There hasn't been any mention of what they are doing or when they meet. Do all the VCCA members ever get to vote on what they come up with??? Can our board of directors change their decisions?

The Judging Committee Chair, Steve Scott, visits this forum occasionally. The asst. Chair, John Mahoney more often. So, they should read the posts in the next few days and likely comment. As far as the BOD each member has an Area Board Member and six at-large members that they can contact with praise or ????. They are listed in the front of the G&D each month. Many have email addresses listed so can be contacted electronically. I personally believe that most don't care much either way about judging so go along with the Judging Committee recomendations.

Go to this page on the VCCA.org site VCCA judging page and you can download the 2005 judging manual, it is a MS Word document file and at the very end of the manual the members of the judging committee are listed with their addresses. VCCA members will find several familiar names there. It appears to me that Steve Scott and his committee are very visable and open to querys of a serious nature. Please remember, as I have been reminded several times, you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar......

Thanks "sweety" I can be nice at times. I don't get my trucks judged but I think if a person so desires then this club should stick to judging them as close to the production model year build as posible with authentic parts or service changes made during that year. Otherwise it just a hot rod. After all our club is "Dedicated to the Preservation and Restoration of Chevrolets"; isn't that printed in the G&D every month?

Interesting point:

I don't know everybody here in Chevy Chat. But it does seem like most of "us" who are commenting about this engine judging situation don't even have our cars judged. I'm pretty much the same. I know I haven't had a car judged in five years, could possibly be TEN years.

(Oh boy, my next thought may get the fur flying......)

So, is it really any of "our" business anyway??? It seems like it may not be......

Bill.

It could be that if the vehicles were judged to the way they were built there might be more vehicles judged.

some of the other car clubs have a seperate judged class for non-original engines in a given class of cars. for instance, NCRS will judge my 61 vette with the 92 ZR1 frame, suspension, engine trans and rear in the Sportsman class. it wouldn't be judged in the Flight classes where originality is manditory per the NCRS Statement of Purpose. Since the Sportsman class was instituted about 10 years ago, the # of corvettes being judged at the national meets have doubled. the sportsman class participants' vettes are assigned an area on the judging field adjacent to the flight judged cars and they are recognized at the awards banquet and in the publications in a manner similar to the way the flight judged cars' owners are recognized. mike

Chipper, it won't print clear enough to read! And I have a '29! So close and yet so far! :(

i too had trouble printing the chip's data. as posted, its too small to print and read. if i knew how to blow it up before printing, i'd be good to go. then again, i've never been "good". mike

Jim (35 Pickup Man)
This issue has been covered several times. I would be more than happy to give you a call and explain the reasoning (there are many). Please e-mail me your phone number and when is a good time to call you over the weekend.
John Mahoney
Assistant Chair National Judging Committee

If you want a copy of the Class G engine card that you can read email me and I will send a MS Word file attached to my reply.

Bill, We may not have our cars judged, and you are right in that isn't something all of us discussing the subject have a lot to gain from the process, maybe some day we will, or maybe we will be called on to act as a judge. I think it does effect our club overall, as to it's creditability in the hobby.

Hey John,

Rather than explaining the "many reasons" why it's OK to have the "wrong engine" in a car one phone call at a time; wouldn't it be easier to just "post" the info here???

Just a thought..........

Bill.

I'm with 42bill. I think the reasons for having this wrong engine rule should be posted here so that we can all read and discuss them.

I suppose this ruling was recorded somewhere in the Judging Committee meeting minutes? did it appear in any issue of the G&D?

Even with the discussions on the problems or disagreements I must say that the judging process is much improved over what it was a few years ago. The Judging Committee has worked hard to make the process better and I am sure will continue to work toward further improvements. If we all help it will happen sooner.

I think it everybody who is a VCCA member has every right to express or partake in this. Maybe if the judging was a little better & fairer, we all might enjoy it, especially if it promotes a better car/truck and maintains a higher standard.

Yes...it appeared in the May, 2003 issue of the G&D.

I personally think that a judging committee is a good thing and it is a great concept adopted by the VCCA. However, in my opinion, the only glitch to the system is this wrong engine ruling. It's just not fair to the dude that does his restoration correctly and has the correct engine, and it rewards a fellow for doing an engine alteration. And further, having the wrong engine does not comply with the VCCA mission statement.

Anyone not happy with this or have any other ideas should write their area representive.They are listed on page 2 of the G&D.They then bring it to the National Board meeting in late winter.

The correct procedure is outlined in the G&D once a year.

Doing anything else is just blowing wind.

The other sugestion would be run for a position on the board.

Yep Chipper we have a good club here not with standing an old grouch here and there,a happy-go-lucky Wacky one, a cronic bitcher ever once in a while even a old mutt that sniffs out too many junkyard rust buckets, a parts book guru and not to mention a demented bugle boy! Other than those few, VCCA has a fairly good group, don't you reckon?