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Maybe somebody on this forem can put together a petition to request a change in the engine judging to go back to the correct year engine in the same year vehicle. A 36 engine just shouldn't be allowed in a 34 vehicle if trying to preserve a stock vehicle.

You have started it. I will sign on.
James M. Koontz VCCA # 00028

I will sign on too!

Junkyard Dog, VCCA #07962

I'm with you Jim if thats what it takes.
Flew over your house couple weeks ago, didn't see any movement!
Walt D

I'm still here finishing up the new house inside work; got heat in the garage with the 35 pickup parked and the chassis from the 34 dump truck being torn apart. Just added a 35 1.5 ton long WB to the pole barn. Still has the original upholstry in the cab and is the first 1.5 ton I've seen with the optional double action shocks. Any suggestion on how to collect more yes votes??

You could send a letter to each Region asking them to pass a petition for signatures and return it to you to forward to the BOD.

And how are we going to tell, on the judging field, what year the engine was built?

If you are a knowledgeable judge for a particular year of vehicle you will know by the block casting number, the casting dates, and the engine serial number. And, all of that information should be in the judging handbook for that particular year, and that information is readily available as well.

Maybe we need to separate the 4's & 6's from the V-8's when it comes to judging the early engines have casting dates you can see. I don't know anything about your more modern vehicles still stuck before 55. Any V-8 ers know how to tell????? I can put together a letter petition for the regions.

It is easy and fast if you have a "numbers" card on each year and type. I volunteered to put together many of them but when I was told that it was too much work I gave up. Then I was told that it would be unfair if all years did not have cards. It is that thinking that kept the caveman in the dark with a club for a weapon.

Yep, Chipper Dipper was apparently "stonewalled" on putting together the information needed. And, all of this information is readily available from many different sources.

I will support the effort too.

I don't agree. I still want the fox tail and mud flaps.

But I do want the car to look original.

I always am amazed that you can have the wrong year but the right cubic inch engine and the VCCA doesn't care. That is just totally unfair to the person who goes the extra mile to have the correct year engine in their car.
It is about time that we ask the club to correct this blatant error in our judging system.

I have not seen any arguments in favor of this mis-ruleing snafu about the correct number of cubic inch engine being getting the same favor as the correct date and cubic inch engine. I do realize that the audience here is not the majority of VCCA members by no means. I hope it will not be construed that we are not loyal VCCA members because as a group we oppose the ruling. Hanging our dirty laundry out in public not with standing. I am sure some one will use that old dead horse thing about airing our dirty laundry in a public forum.

Some times a man must to do what a man must do......

Actually, many vehicles are judged for credit and prestiage to their owners as they advance through the tiers of the VCCA judging venue. This is a way they get credit for their favorite part of the restoration hobby, and they are entitled to a fair and equal system of competition. IMHO

Maybe winning alot of awards for a car, Means getting alot more money when the car Is sold. I noticed that some of the cars at the Barrett Jackson auction brought more money because of the paper work and literature about the history of the car and what awards the car won. Most all of the cars at the auction seemed to bring more money then what the average guy would want to spend for a car, At least for a working guy with limited funds.

Wouldn't collating this information into a non-chat board area of this web site (or somewhere else if that's not possible) be useful for everyone? I know there's an encyclopedia of information here on this board but finding it isn't always easy.

Then when its time change the judging, the information is already there.

Just a thought. I could help with the collating, but I don't know jack about the numbers themselves.

Jim

Sounds very similar to the idea Michael 41 proposed here some months back.

Man, Michael got SHOT DOWN in FLAMES.

Hope you have better luck than he did, Jim.

Bill.

Uh Oh, I'd better put on my thick skin!

i'd be happy to compile the casting #'s, casting dates and pad suffix info for all the small block and big block chevy engines from 55 thru 67. could also do the 53 to 55 235's. A volunteer endeavor obviously. just need the word that the effort will be utilized on the judging fields before initiating the aforesaid undertaking.have had more than a little experience doing similar compilations for the NCRS. mike

Gator, a personal agenda, well, It probably took several members to get the judging process started, and I think it could be a personal or a collective agenda, does it matter which? The process is a fact and open to all members who wish to participate. I don't see whether anyone should be ashamed to admit their own reason for participateing in a VCCA event if that is what they enjoy, whether it is reading the classified ads, attending social events, touring their old Chevrolets, driving a ragged-a**ed original, or hauling around a shiny trailer queen and pushing it off and on the trailer at a show. or just converseing with other old friends. There seems to me to be reasons enough and room in the club for each or all.

"just need the word that the effort will be utilized on the judging fields before initiating the aforesaid undertaking."

Mike: The first hurdle that you would have to jump would be to convince the judging committee that they have made a major mistake by initiating this new "wrong engine" rule in the first place. If you can do that, and the judging committee does withdraw the ruling, then you could probably proceed with your project. However, as I understand it, several have already tried to convince them with no success (even Chipper who is on the judging committee and he failed as well). I think at this point it would have to be the Board of Directors that changes this ruling because I seriously doubt if the judging committee will. :( :( :(