Only to calm you down, 41special..... Coming back when possible.
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Solan G, # 32797
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Its never going to change guys, will just go on and on like this thread.
Give it a rest
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I have documented my 45 years with a 1928 Chev Tourer, from 1973 to 2018, and regulary add other items that I hope are of interest to others. Your comments are most welcome.The story of the Red Chev can be viewed at http://my28chev.blogspot.com/
SEMA has been very active the last years to avoid using ethanol in older vehicles. Quote: Ethanol’s chemical property poses a risk to older cars and motorcycles. Ethanol absorbs water, which can lead to metal corrosion. It can also dissolve plastics and rubber. Most older vehicles and many motorcycles were not constructed with ethanol-compatible materials and Quote: The EPA has now authorized 15% ethanol while acknowledging the dangers posed to older vehicles and motorcycles.
Quote: For more than 75 years, AACA has fostered the growth and development of this American pastime by bringing together thousands of car enthusiasts and their collector vehicles to honor the past and our shared history, said AACA President Tom Cox. Now, due to a shortsighted government mandate, these vintage vehicles are at risk due to ethanol. On behalf of AACA and SAN, I encourage congress to amend the RFS mandates and conduct further research on the damaging effects of ethanol fuel. The future of our older antique vehicles depends on it.
These are some of the most important motor organisations in USA and their voice should be listened to. Why not do it? HVA is the biggest one in FIVA. Another big one is FBHVC in GB also making a clear vote against the ethanol for older vehicles.
There are plenty of links out there showing the good and reliable reasons why we should not use ethanol in our hobby vehicles, and the myths about that liquid are not myths but a real threat and danger to our motor hobby. Not the E 5 so much but when nobody can get it, E 10 will be the choice and a bad one. E 15 will be unacceptable.
So I will continue to buy the pure E 0 (98 octane) on both my cars as long as possible even if it cost a little more (US 2,50/litre for 95, E 5 so do not complain about your own gas prices), to preserve all parts of my nearly original 1916 car as long as possible.
With a sideview not to be (too) political here I think I will only continue on this thread when interesting ethanol news are being released. I feel the main part has been said here about this severe subject already. But you are to go on whenever you want to.
As I am not living in USA I also will leave the discussion between RFA, the oil companies and EPA to themselves to avoid me being at the edge politically here. The battle seems to be pretty hard every day.
By the way: A lot of motor clubs in many countries are lobbying the politicians in their parliaments and the oil companies to keep E 0 in the market. Why not help HVA to achieve the same in US by joining that club?
Have a nice day.
Solan G, # 32797
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For those who believe that Ethanol gas should be banned, get active and support SEMA. They have successfully lobbied and have been able to garner support to delay/ban E-15 from taking off. Also, write your state representatives--most do respond to constituents' concerns. I note that Maine has recently enacted a bill to ban Ethanol gas--provided they can get two more New England states to join them. Check out www.sema.org for more info.
Rick
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Thanks for this important information, tonyw. It is quite obvious by now that the research, testing, and final technical results of adding ethanol in gas (to vehicles not built for that) have NOT been done thoroughly and professionally BEFORE the first blending started in different countries.
The concequenses will be huge for millions of vehicle owners where the local gas stations are selling E 10 or higher as ten car makers now are refusing to any claim caused by ethanol on cars from before 2012.
So we really need to stop any ethanol blending NOW, UNTIL some neutral University studies can proove which mixture of Ethanol/gas we can be using without any risk of damaging our vehicles.
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I watched the video report and while I agree about the effects of ethanol I think it is important to keep our statements accurate. This report is in reference to "E15" and to state that "ten car makers now are refusing to any claim caused by ethanol on cars from before 2012" is misleading. The last thing we need to do in our efforts to stop the ethanol push is to be discredited due to inaccurate or misleading information. I believe the E10 blend has had some testing and there are no car mfgs denying warranty if their vehicle owners manual states that it is approved for that vehicle.
There cannot any longer be any doubt about ethanol making unwanted, even serious trouble for engines/vehicles not specially made to use ethanol/gas mixtures. The ethanol damages makes the owners having to pay for the complete repairs themselves. And the higher ethanol content and longer use the higher risk for damage.
When important car makers are not any longer willing to give guarantees for compensating the damages made by ethanol on all vehicles from before 2012, the ethanol blends have to be tested thoroughly immediately and for a long time to find out at which blend the clear majority of vehicles can run in future without danger.
In the meantime all gas stations must continue at least ONE pump containing E 0. Only 10% ?? of all vehicles built before 2012 are able to run safely on E 15 and many more will be in danger using E 10 if this is not happening.
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Well guys (and gals), I had only had minor problems that I could attribute to ethanol in gasoline until yesterday. Had problems starting my '28 engine that I use to test run carburetors. It has an early '28 vacuum tank with the flapper and not the later flat disc bottom valve. The flapper fitting (screws onto the bottom of the inside can) is brass with a micorda flapper. Once I concluded that my problem was lack of gas to the carburetor, I took off the top of the vacuum tank. There was a off white powdery coating on the upper parts of the tank. Pulled the inner can and found a blue-green crusty coating on the bottom of the can both inside and outside the flapper assembly and coating the flapper and flat seating surface. Apparently a piece or more was keeping the flapper from sealing to the brass seating surface. Carburetor cleaner wouldn't touch it, nor other solvents. So had to carefully clean the surface of the flapper and fitting. Used a brush, dry paper towel, knife blade, dental tools to get it all relatively clean. Once I got it clean and tested to see if the flapper sealed put the inner can tank back together. Filled the tank half full of gas and then screwed the top back on with new gasket. Ran the engine testing 5 carburetors without a further problem (except for a couple carburetors needing further work).
The blue-green crusty stuff is clearly a copper based salt. Don't know the exact composition but I am sure it is due to the ethanol in the gasoline. Since ethanol itself and water will not corrode the brass, my chemical training suggests the first oxidation product of ethanol, acetic acid which is corrosive to metals is probably the culprit. Looked up copper compounds in the 57th edition of the "Handbook of Chemistry and Physics" and found "Copper acetate, basic" aka Blue verdigris a "grnsh-bl powd" (greenish-blue powder); formula Cu(C2H3O2)2.CuO.6H2O molecular weight 369.26 It is listed as slightly soluble in cold water, insoluble in hot water, soluble in dilute acid, NH4OH (ammonia hydroxide for you none chemists); slightly soluble in alcohol. I have not sent in a sample for analysis (even forgot to get a portrait of the stuff) so can not confirm my suspicions but am confident it will be upheld on appeal.
Will also post this as a new topic in the 4 banger forum.
and here is an extract: The rule's submission had fueled rumors among traders that the EPA had finalized its much-awaited blending requirements for 2014. The final rule will dictate how much ethanol refiners must blend into their gasoline output in 2014.
The American Petroleum Institute (API), an oil industry lobbying group, has been pushing for mandated ethanol blending requirements at under 10 percent of overall gasoline demand.
In a letter to the agency on Tuesday, the API urged the EPA to aim for 9.7 percent. Refiners say they cannot safely blend more than 10 percent ethanol into gasoline without risking damage to boat engines and older cars. They call the 10 percent threshhold the ethanol "blend wall."
My comment: The "blend wall" should be taken down to a max. of 5% ethanol to save the boat engines and older motor vehicles from severe damages. Listen to those who already have made that experience and remember the big car maker refusing to give hardly any guarantee to vehicles older than from 2012 if they are running on E 15.
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There are also plenty of reports of damaging small engines working on high speed (lawn movers, chain saws, outboard engines, garden tools. You can easily find those reports on the net and among the motor hobby enthusiasts.
It ruined all my older chain saws, and garden equipment, etc...Thousands of dollars...Just gives me fits...And I can't even find the parts to fix them...There no longer available...A few years ago they were my "bread a butter"...I took such good care of them...Now, there junk...
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You are experiencing exactly the same problems that many others (including myself) have run into with the junk Ethanol gas crap. However, Charlie loves the stuff and he thinks that it is the greatest thing on the planet since Welfare was established.
There are also plenty of reports of damaging small engines working on high speed (lawn movers, chain saws, outboard engines, garden tools. You can easily find those reports on the net and among the motor hobby enthusiasts.
It ruined all my older chain saws, and garden equipment, etc...Thousands of dollars...Just gives me fits...And I can't even find the parts to fix them...There no longer available...A few years ago they were my "bread a butter"...I took such good care of them...Now, there junk...
My lawnmower, snow blower, tiller (two 4 cycles one two cycle) have run on 10% ethanol since new or about 12 years and not a problem.
The big discussion is not concerning engines and vehicles younger than from 2000, so you are running near to "safe" with your machinery. But there ar plenty of people out there telling about lots of damages for older vehicles and engines.
They must have a really good reason (not to accept ethanol) when many big car makers of today are NOT willing to give warranties for brake downs when using E 15 ethanol blends for older vehicle.
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Who in the world gives warranties for 1999 and older vehicles. Nobody. So it would seem that your unrelenting attack on corn growers is pointless.
I assume that you're trying to imply that E-15 is bad for engines prior to 2000 merely because manufacture's refuse to warrant them. And, we're not even talking E-10 here. A baseless argument. Do your homework.
There are two reasons that those opposed to E- whatever clamor for it's demise:
a. Those who refuse to replace a gasket or fuel line after the normal life expectancy may have been insignifantly shortened by a drop or two of alcohol, and,
b. Those who depend on a scapegoat for their lack of maintenance and use the ready notion that any failure, any where, is caused by said alcohol. Which is not true.
For one, I'm getting sick and tired of all the unwarranted propoganda directed at corn squeezings and the hardworking corn farmers of the world. Such scientific good use of alcohol is good for lessening our dependance on crude oil.
Let the folks living in hot sand regions build their next ski slope off the proceeds from selling sweet smelling camel dung. Light a properly aged camel paddie and you have heat for roasting some young bodacious goat and get some swell scents to boot. All night, if the tent is even close to being air tight.
Corn is food. It feeds livestock and it feeds people. As we're starving to death because all the corn is used for fuel (bad fuel at that) at least we can drive 'til we die of starvation.
At least I'll have my Fulton visor to keep the sun out of my eyes when I go.
I think that we will die of dehydration before we go from starvation. Water is our next crisis in this country and the amount of water it takes to make a gallon of alcohol is unreal!! I happen to live in the corn alcohol state here in Ia, and I don't like what I see, let alone the damage I have had in my one time of a tank of E-10 and the small engine problems I have encountered in the fuel systems. Give me clear clean water thank you very much.
Who in the world gives warranties for 1999 and older vehicles. Nobody. So it would seem that your unrelenting attack on corn growers is pointless.
I assume that you're trying to imply that E-15 is bad for engines prior to 2000 merely because manufacture's refuse to warrant them. And, we're not even talking E-10 here. A baseless argument. Do your homework.
There are two reasons that those opposed to E- whatever clamor for it's demise:
a. Those who refuse to replace a gasket or fuel line after the normal life expectancy may have been insignifantly shortened by a drop or two of alcohol, and,
b. Those who depend on a scapegoat for their lack of maintenance and use the ready notion that any failure, any where, is caused by said alcohol. Which is not true.
For one, I'm getting sick and tired of all the unwarranted propoganda directed at corn squeezings and the hardworking corn farmers of the world. Such scientific good use of alcohol is good for lessening our dependance on crude oil.
Let the folks living in hot sand regions build their next ski slope off the proceeds from selling sweet smelling camel dung. Light a properly aged camel paddie and you have heat for roasting some young bodacious goat and get some swell scents to boot. All night, if the tent is even close to being air tight.
Give us alcohol or give us death!
Just sayin...
Your turn,
Charlie
The pulp from ethanol production is excellent cattle feed. People eat very little field corn save for corn flakes and corn meal, it is much different than sweet corn which is not used for ethanol and is the corn we eat.
I went into my local small engine repair shop today to pick up a new mow ball for my Craftsman weed trimmer. Due to wear on rocks and etc. I usually have to replace the mow ball about once a year. Our local small engine repair shop is fairly large and they have lots of parts in stock for small engines. They are pretty much the premier small engine repair shop in our area and they do lots of work on weed trimmers, riding lawn mowers and the like.
While the repairman was pulling a new mow ball out of stock for my machine, I happened to look around the shop and on the customer counter was a metal tray with a lot of metal and rubber parts displayed on the tray. The rubber parts were completely destroyed and they looked like mush. The rubber parts were actually unidentifiable. The metal parts were extremely corroded and worthless....and one of the parts was a complete carburetor and it was an absolute mess. After the repairman brought me the mow ball, and since I have seen this destruction several times before, I asked the fellow....."are these parts the result of that garbage junk gas Ethanol?" He said..."absolutely". I asked how old the small engines were that these parts were removed from and he said that the small engines were not that old.....and that most were recently manufactured machines. He also stated that in his repair business he sees this type of Ethanol destruction frequently on machines that are brought in by customers.
I mentioned that I am very familiar with Ethanol and the destruction it can cause. He confirmed the same and said that since Ethanol was introduced into our community a few years ago his small engine repair business has increased greatly due to the Ethanol. The repairman also stated that he absolutely hates Ethanol because of its destructive nature but that, on the other hand, he also loves the junk because of the increased business that it brings into his shop.
I stated that I frequent a chat site and there is always an on-going interesting discussion about Ethanol and that one dude on the site in particular absolutely loves the crap. I mentioned that for some reason he thinks that Ethanol is the best thing to come along since the wheel was invented. The man behind the counter smiled and said that this individual is either a corn farmer or he has been breathing too many Ethanol fumes. With that I also smiled, paid the bill and left.
One local Gas(petrol)Station in my suburb has just reinstalled a couple of unleaded fuel pumps free from ethanol , 91 octane. The only available ethanol free fuel was 95 and 98 octane, and comes at an extremely elevated price, compared to the 91 octane fuel containing the ethanol.
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