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Christmas came early this year for me. See Photos.

Out of the blue, I received a phone call yesterday -- Afterwards, I called George and Dick and this morning they went with me while I picked up my newest "find".

It has been stored in the same garage for the past 11 years. Only has about 20,000 miles (or so) on it... Maybe 12,000? I forgot to look at the odometer... Sorry, I was V-E-R-Y distracted.













--Bill

Wow... that is one cute little truck! There's one for sale up here, but I've been afraid to ask how much! That's going to be popular at the shows. Maybe another model in my future??!!

Doesnt look like much work needed there Bill. A bit younger than the rest of your stable but a worthy addition just the same.
Tony

I'm jealous!! What a great looking car, no body phoned me?

Nice! I would like to take a ride in it sometime

Bill,
Nice looking rig. A few hauling jobs and you could recoup (no pun intended) your investment.

Mike

Just make sure you feed it the right octane level, bath it on a regular basis and take it out for drives.
LMAO
mike lynch

I just went outside with a flashlight and looked at it inside the trailer. It has 21,400 miles on it -- and 11 year-old gas in the tank. Oh, well... I'm not complaining.



As soon as I get rid of the pool table in the shop, then I'll be able to unload the "truck" and park it inside under the lights. (And no... I don't need any more suggestions on what to do with the pool table!!! ha ha)

--Bill

Bill,

I was wondering why didn't you use a open trailer? But the more I looked at that thing, the more I understood why one would want to cover it up to avoid pointing fingers and snickerings. There is the paparazzi factor, also.

Aw, shucks! I'm just kidding you. Very nice car/truck. That is about as sound 35 (36) as one would ever imagine coming across. I bet it will take little to have it in even more of a show condition. It may even fit the unrestored category. Whatever...

Do you think the milage is correct? You're not counting the gas in the tank as a plus, are you? Or, is the gas a reasonable factor in figuring the tank is in good shape? I'm sure you'll check it out.

No need to move the pool table. An idea. I suggest that you leave it where it is and just put this here car/truck on top. The pool table can act as a pedestal. Even, make a rotating/lazy susan and/or motorize it so it will slowly spin at the flip of a rheostat switch. Charge the kiddies a quarter for a slow ride. Just lift them up into the rear apparatus and secure the tail gate. Let them ride until they get nauseatingly pale. Owing to added weight, spin adults much faster. (See rheostat) Tip it once every revolution or two. Like a tilt-a-whirl. Just thinking outside the "box" here. You get the idea.

Charlie

BTW1: Because any year car could have followed you home, it this here in the right forum? Just a-messin' with you.

BTW2: Bill, the excellent money making idea is free. I'm a generous man. Am too! So, no need to offer me a split. That potentially, highly lucrative idea is all yours. I don't need any of the proceeds. (read on)

But..., I am coming up a little short on food money this month. See 41 convertible project. Just saying... If you COULD see your way clear, I would be much obliged. Would too!

Nice find Bill. It looks great.
Cleon

Looks nice. All I can get to follow me home is rusty piles of metal needing mega dollars & time to preserve...Joe

What I think is cool about this, is that this is a car that has never been in the VCCA before. So it bumps our inventory up by one.

Just one question Why is the big guy steering and the old little guy pushing?

Ha ha.... because the big guy paid the big bucks!!!

Congratulations!!!!!
She looks like she's all ready for a car show as is IMO.
Got any photos of the engine bay and interior?

Yes, we'll be a wait'in for them photo's...!

Kevin...The only thing that ever followed me home was TROUBLE.
>>>>>>Nothing like that....NICE CAR.....ED

Ed...You ain't kidding no one...We all know you went looking for it...! ( trouble, that is ) And I ain't tell'in where Bill lives, neither !

I don't mind telling you where Billy Boy BaRRker lives....He lives Northwest of Amarillo, Texas, just go the big town of San Francisco and turn right for a good piece..

hey ,
is that near John Waynes ranch, the one with the stension on the gate?
Peter

Don't think it is near John Wayne ranch but relatively close to troll farm. Many in the area don't know of the troll farm with troll heads on the ends of building beams and fence posts. Somebody had a lot of extra time and apparently loved trolls.

Bill,

Since you are a '31 man, I think you should give the '36 to me.
No, I won't hold my breath :)

Peter

Ha ha... I can always expect to get a chuckle when I get my nightly dose of Chat.

Here's some photos that "some" of you requested.

I've worked on the car for the past 12 days in a row. Today was the first time that I pushed it out of the shop. It's still not running and has no brakes... but I decided to give it a dose of sunshine today!!! (Also washed a bunch of grim off of it, and finally was able to remove the front brake fitting. Then I rebuilt the fuel pump this evening. -- I just might try to start it tomorrow after I drain the 11-year old gas out of the tank.)

My wife helped me push it back into the shop late this afternoon, and she said that that was her Christmas present to me. Now you understand why I was trying to bleed the brakes by myself yesterday.
I've already used up all of my Christmas presents until 2019.

<<I hope that I don't overwhelm you with photos.>>

That's a great looking car... and a little less work then your last one! Who took the bite out of the tag?

Must of been metal termites. ?!?!?!?

Part of your frustration is the fact that 1936 was the first "juice" brakes for Chevrolet. As such, it probably was a work in progress.

I think your best bet is the use of the Helicoil. If that is unsuccessful, then you are looking for a hungry machinist.

Otherwise if you get disgusted, and decide to sell, my number is: XXX-3333. Just leave a message.

"Forgot to mention that you have a heater and a two part 36 radio. However, they are all three painted the wrong color."

Well, another busy day.

I looked at helicoils at Napa today. We figured that there might not be enough "base" to drill it out enough to install the coil. So I'm suspending that idea for now.

We also found a larger 90 degree banjo fitting that I could drill for the third line (bolt). Only problem was that it was thicker than the original and then the bolt would be too short to reach across it.

PLAN A: I've been looking for a machinist. But price will definitely be an issue.

PLAN B: It would be REALLY nice to find someone that has a '36 frame that they are parting out (that still has the brake lines attached).

PROGRESS TODAY:
Rebuilt Fuel pump installed.
New Optima battery installed.
Old oil drained. New oil added.
Old fuel filter removed at gas tank. I need new rubber hoses.
Turned the engine over for 5 seconds. Still letting the oil soak in the cylinders.

Oh, yes... I also honked the horn for the very first time.

eBay has a frame

http://www.ebay.com/itm/36-CHEVY-MA...ries&hash=item1c29511ca9&vxp=mtr

Thanks... but I don't need ANOTHER frame. Ha!!

But, it is amazing what shows up now and again. If you wait long enough, almost anything will eventually be posted.

Bill,
What is the parts book length of the brake cable you need. I have some that are thirty and a half inches (301/2) with an off-set bracket on them.

I also have one that is almost 31. This latter one has a webbed outer case. It has a tapped place on it for a bolt or something.

Let me know,
Charlie

I'll try to look this up tonight. I'm missing the entire left side so I'm not totally sure.

But my research so far said that the left and right are similar and the left has a "thread" inside the cable winding to distinguish it from the right side.

I'll measure the right side later today too.

OK, I'm standing by.
Charlie


Update: I went back out and checked on the thread. Some have a brown thread, the others don't.

Bill,
The cables for '36 and later big trucks show different parts for RH and LH. The only difference is that the outer housings are wound opposite of one another. I can't imagine what difference this would make. Especially since other vehicles use the same cable for both sides.
Can anyone shed some light on this?

Mike

Here's what the 1935/36 Repair Manual says on page 21 of the 1936 Supplement:



As far as I can tell from the Master Parts Price list, it appears that the Left Cable Hand Break (FC) is 592283.

But I'm not comfortable yet, asking for any parts... I need to get back under and take photos etc. in order to be sure. This is NOT a Master, and it's NOT a 1/2 ton Truck. But then again, it appears to have some differences from the normal Standard. So - photos and measurements might be the prudent route.

Thanks everyone for your interest in this mystery. Oh, I almost forgot, I haven't yet tried the parking brake with only the right side hooked up. I'm waiting to get the hydraulic brakes working first, so I can use them as a backup to the parking brake (???) when I go to test it. Ha!!

PS. I live on a hill. Once I pull out of my driveway it's 1.5 miles of twisty, turning roads dropping approximately 800 feet in elevation.

If I were you, I would practice turning off the key and scrubbing the tires on the curb. It is far better than the fender on a guardrail or sapling (or larger). Or you can get the Boss to lead in her brand new car, looking often in the rearview mirror for frantic waving. If she manages to just slow enough so your car nestles up to the rear bumper, then she can apply the brakes stopping both vehicles. I tried the rope and anchor, didn't work too well. Don't think cement block instead of anchor would be much better, maybe worse.

curb????

I'm gonna have to video-tape me driving down my hill.

Ha ha...

----Added

Actually, Dave Miner is going to be here next Tuesday. Maybe I can let him video-tape it. Ha ha....

Bill,

This is what I have. The parts book says:

1936-37 All Passenger (exc. FC) (311/2 overall) PART NO: 594308

1936 FC, FB L, w/clip (381/2 overall) 592283
R 592284

1936:

Series Wheelbase Type of vehicle

FA 113 Pass (MD) w/knee action (enclosed type)
FD 113 Pass (MD) less Knee Action
FC 109 Pass and Sedan Delivery (Standard)
FB 112 Commercial -- 1/2 ton truck

The ones I have are 31 and one half inches thus for the passenger with or without knee action but not the FC Standard. One is wound one way while the other is wound the other way. They are identical but for the windings and the brown thread that is found in some. See pics.

Let me know what you think.

Charlie

BTW: I had a conference call with Eastern Ed and Steve.

We pondered and discussed the reverse windings in the cables to a great and exhausting extent. We sought the reason why. We came up the following:

They are wound that way (opposite each other) so that if some idiot were to overheat the shoes coming off a 800 foot hill and then have to resort to the use of the parking brake - in an eye popping panic - before crashing and flipping the shine jars out of that pick-um-up bed and loosing the entire un-tax-paid load, an absolute opposite and equal force should be applied and thus prevent the vehicle from rolling whilst in the air from running off the bad side of the hill.

It is amazing what scientific minds can come up with. It is equally amazing that us three "experts" could come up with the reason for those opposite windings. Is too!

Ya, but if you contact the seller he may be willing to remove the fitting. I followed up on a "32" engine that turned out to be a 29 which I bought just to save it from the scrap yard. Turned out it had a 32 intake and exhaust manifold on it and correct 32 starter and generator. When I picked it up the seller also threw in 5 manuals(parts and service) and 32 front and rear bumpers with brackets, the 29 radiator, steering gear, column, and wheel, headlight bar, and emergency brake lever assy. Even if he doesn't have the fitting, seeing as he has a 36 frame he may know someone that might have one. Sometimes waiting works but shaking the bushes just might flush something out. Good luck and happy hunting!!

Here's some photos -- measurements coming next.

The parking (emergency) brake has a weird mechanism - and I only see a way for ONE link back to the rear brakes.

The rod is about 33 1/2" in length. (It's the upper one in this photo.)



This is the passenger side where it changes from a ROD to a CABLE and it passes through the frame. The cable (between the fittings) is about 23" long. The other end is at the backing plate (not shown).




And this is the Driver's side rear wheel backing plate, where there is an opening with nothing attached.

Bill, I believe I have the rod and cable that you need for the drivers side.

Wow.... do you have any idea how it attaches near the transmission? For the life of me I can't see where a second rod connects.

It looks like the rod is on the wrong side of the upright bracket. I believe the right rod should be on the right side and the left rod on the left side of the bracket with the pin connecting everything. Your pin is probably going to be too short.

Don't know about the e-brake system but we can be sure that someone has been into the ball housing. Orange silicone sealer was not invented until much after 1936.

Yep... I could write a book about what you find when you acquire an "original" car.

http://www.gmheritagecenter.com/gm-heritage-archive/docs/Chevrolet/1936-Chevrolet.pdf


check out page 12-15 . Page 14 right hand side of the page explains what you need to know.

Pages 14, 15, etc deal with the master series. Look at page 51.

Mike

Thanks guys.... that was informative. It explained that BOTH brake rods are connected together. So, as was suggested earlier, the pin that is already there may not be long enough for the addition of the driver's side rod.

But at least I now know what I'm looking for. And ---- it helps to justify my trip to Hershey this year!!!!

Yowsa... tell THAT to my wife!!!