VCCA Home Forums TECHNICAL - 1945 AND EARLIER 1937-1945 Vintage shots from long ago.

I thought this was a family friendly site, and then someone posts a picture of two vehicles in the sex mode?

The offspring was a Metro...grin

Thats the way a family is....made

I think I've seen that Nash Metro at the Boonesboro, ky. car show. Nice car!

When you get used to that car you discover you need another one for the other foot.....Ed
BTW I guess you all know that these were made in "Merry OLD England"......Ed

I have owned two of those little Metros. In the cold weather of SDak it was the only thing I could get started in the morning to go to work. Fun cars.

New Buick

Wonder why it has that huge siren and bell mounted on the outside? Maybe he's the Police Chief.

Wooden spokes may not be the way to go.



That hole got BOTH wheels !! I bet he wishes he'd got the double sidemount spares...grin

They definintly had killer pot holes back then... although I've seen the same pot holes on the I-75 interstate.

Looks like a Fireman to me.......ED

Must be a Fire CAPTAIN to be driving a new Buick . That was a pretty snazzy car back then.

OOPS !

Is that Jeff Gordon driving?

Looks like Grandma Gordon is on board !

Hard work for these gals.

Hey Steve....That's almost as bad as working in that old government defense plant you retired from.......Or did you have it worse...???>>>>ED

The women in our plant didn't look that nice....grin

Top Secret photo...

1906 Darracq racer Loius Chevrolet This is four years before GM had a chevrolet brand.

No car was built that was branded as a Chevrolet until very late in 1912 (and those very few were sold as 1913 models).

Chevrolet and GM were not under the same corporate roof until the end of 1915, and that only to the extent that the same man controlled both, and Chevrolet Motor Company owned a controlling interest in General Motors. Chevrolet was created separately, and Durant used Chevrolet stock to regain control of GM again in 1915. Between the incorporation of Chevrolet Motor Company on November 3, 1911 until that buy-out, there was no connection between the Chevrolet Motor Company and General Motors. Chevrolet was eventually merged into General Motors in 1918.

Point being, it was a lot more than 4 years from 1906 until..

GM is saying "100 years of Chevrolets". They have printed hundreds of ads saying this. Why are they doing this if what you are saying is correct?





In Oct of 2011 GM declared 100 years of Chevrolets.


Here's a offical GM video




GM web page below

http://www.chevrolet.com/100-years/

2011-100= 1911-4=1907 The photo was from 1906 Now we're down to which month. GM says Oct of 2011 is the offical date of 100 years of chevrolets.

They are saying 100 years because the Chevrolet Motor Company was incorporated on November 3, 1911. So next week, Chevrolet will have been a company for 100 years. Has nothing to do with when they built any specific brand cars. Has nothing to do with when Chevrolet and General Motors were later merged by Durant.

What I have said above is well established as being true, and has been documented by original source documents in the G&D for years, and many other places. General Motors is in the business of selling cars, not in the business of being historically accurate. Some of their executives came to US in Flint to verify some of their advertising coming out soon. Remember that it is simple and convenient (and useful for marketing) for them to just call it "100 years" because of the incorporation date - and not get bogged down in the messy and complicated details of when actual production events began on various models. And that story is fairly complicated.

My main point was about the statement that appeared with the latest old photo above - "This is four years before GM had a chevrolet (sic) brand." If the photo was 1906, then 4 years later would be 1910. But GM did not "have a Chevrolet brand" until they were merged in 1918 (which would be 12 years later than 1906). Chevrolet existed as a corporation at the end of 1911. They began selling cars branded as "Little" in 1912, continuing into 1913. "Chevrolet" branded cars appeared for the 1913 model year (which would be 7 years later than 1906) - but it was not a "GM brand" (yet) in 1913: they were independent stand-alone Chevrolet brand. In 1913, there was not yet any connection between GM and Chevrolet.

GM is saying that the CHEVROLET BRAND was founded in 1911. I guess whether it was under the offical ownership of General Motors is another topic. It seems alot took place in the few years before GM offically OWNED Chevrolet. So GM saying 100 years of Chevrolet implys they owned it but might not be quite true. The photo I posted was correct within months of Chevrolet being founded as a " BRAND", even if it was not owned by General Motors. It was a one line description of a photo. I guess I should have linked to a complete history of the early years of Chevrolet to be correct. I'll try to do better. The bottom line is..GM is taking the credit for Chevrolets 100 year brand.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Chevrolet

The link below is titled " A history with a Mystery"

http://media.gm.com/content/media/u...nt/Pages/news/us/en/2011/Sep/0902_bowtie

Fair enough, you're right, it was just one simple sentence.

Didn't mean to beat on you so much about it, I'm just always out there trying to correct the historical facts, a never ending job.

With millions of people saying things and dreaming up connections for many decades, of course there are many things that end up being published that are simply wrong, the actual facts lost in the fog of time. Your links illustrate that situation perfectly, for instance claiming a Swiss Cross had anything to do with the Bowtie, which of course is wrong, even on Wikipedia. And the great "Mystery" link also, all of which has long since been cleared up and demonstrated even to the point of finding the actual newspaper ad in the archives that Durant spotted during that vacation. Again, this has been well documented and published in the G&D through the years.

This just goes to show why it is important to try and keep the record accurate, and correct things that show up in print that are not accurate. A prime example is the often quoted production of "2,999 Chevrolets built in 1912" which is printed everywhere, many of the older books and histories of Chevrolet and GM state that figure, and think it is production of the Classic 6 (also called Model C). It is actually the total production of Little 4's for the 1912-13 season, and the accurate production for Chevrolet for the 1912 Model Year is Zero.

Through time, General Motors didn't like the brand name "Little" and nobody remembered it within a few years, anyway - so they conveniently allowed the Little production figure to morph into Chevy production. And the two famous photos - one of Louis Chevrolet and one of Cliff Durant (William's son) in the Model C prototypes taken in December 1912 - became the "first Chevy" and the photo dates got pushed back to 1911 somehow. And now those photos pop up everywhere as a 1912 Chevrolet, or even a "1911 Chevy!" Actually of course the original Chevrolet production record still exists (and has been published in the G&D and elsewhere) that clearly show the 2,999 production figure as being Little 4's, and no Chevrolet brand production until the 1913 model year. I have seen and held the original of the document at the GM Heritage Center.

So we have to spread the truth and the facts whenever possible.

I like the idea that Chevrolet recognizes 1911 as their date or origin. Technically they are correct ( 11-3-11 ).
We Chevrolet enthusiasts along with alot of writers have made the incorrect leap to thinking that Chevrolet actually produced a 1911 or a 1912 Chevrolet. Our mistake and many writers mistakes.

1911 - 2011 100th Year of Chevrolet
Many times we forget that Chevrolet was still in operation in late 1942 thru 1945 and they didn't really produce any vehicles for the general public. We don't make Chevrolet subtract those years from their 100 year count.
Now that is still a true statement.

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