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Can someone tell me where the engine number is located on a 1927 Chevy? chevy

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Passenger side, left rear on a pad. Casting date further left and slightly lower on the block.


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I agree.

I have updated my file on engines but have not been able to post it to the website so here's an extract that may assist you:


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7. The new 1927 Capitol models were launched on January 1st, 1927, and the previous Block Casting # 346709 was retained, though the Capitol series motor assembly started in early December 1926 [the date depends on the Christmas Break] at Engine # 2,874,999, with castings produced from around 23rd November 1926? onwards, for motor assembly between 2-3 weeks later, and then installation in chassis ready for the New Year Dealer launch. Canadian truck unit # 2,913,021 has Block # 346709 and Date of L-8-6 for December 8th, 1926, cast by FERRO. Hendon-assembled truck LM15451 had an Engine # between # RT2,932,700 and # RT2,937,400 [about two days’ assembly apart], but had a Block # 346709 and a Cast Date of L-16-6, i.e. December 16th, 1926. LM15971 had an Engine Number of approximately # RT3,037,800, and a Cast Date of A-10-7, for January 10th, 1927. Take in Coupe # 3AA26603 from the St Louis, MO Plant, with Engine # 3,036,813 and # 346709 Block, with a motor possibly built the same day as LM15971. A Truck motor as fitted to a 1926 Model Truck in Norway is Engine # T3,045,920 with the Block casting # 346709, and cast date A 28 7, January 28th 1927, the serial number being XB 2778 [GM International, Copenhagen assembly]. Another Norwegian example is # 3,146,563 with the 346709 Block and Cast Date of C-14-7 March 14th 1927; the Serial number is XB-AA3123. This is a combined car/pickup bodied in Norway. The Capitol series for 1927 Series AA car and light delivery chassis [10 cwt/ Half-Ton capacity] and the Series LM truck chassis. However, a known motor in the U.S. has Engine # 2,955,078 with Casting # 346709, and a Date of A-1-27, for January 1st, 1927. This Block was cast not by S.P.C. but by FERRO. Examples of other 1927 AA Series motors are Hendon-assembled chassis, AA90256 with Engine # 3,065,078 with a Cast Date of B-15-7 February 15th, 1927. Canadian chassis with Engine # 3,080,498, Cast Date B-21-7 for February 21st, 1927, Engine # 3,146,203 cast # 346709 with the last numbers obliterated by welds as originally installed in Coupe # 167730, and Engine # 3,381,023 assembled in late May. There seems to have been a gap in deliveries to Hendon for Series AA chassis from around # R3,300,000. An example of a U.S. car is Ken Kaufmann’s 1927 AA Coupe, assembled in the Oakland, California, Plant with Engine # 3,345,324 with a Block and Head Cast Date E-2-7, May 2nd, 1928, the engine being assembled a few days later and the car sold June 16th. The Head has the S.P.C. Cloverleaf symbol and a manual Distributor.

8. On June 7th 1927 there was a change in Cylinder Head to the 32 b.h.p. type as mentioned below, at Engine # 3,409,976 except for Engine # 3,410,101 to # 3,415,520*, the motors having a new type of Delco-Remy semi-automatic Distributor [mechanical flyweight as against a spring advance] which was mounted as before but required a different method of timing, as well as a change to a larger Carter carburettor, a Carter C-RJX-0, as compared the previous model 1-inch C-RX-0 [with a “C” prefix cast in indicating manufacture at the Bay City, Michigan, Plant as against the St. Louis, Missouri, Plant]. Associated with the new carburettor was an “Autovac” fuel feed to the carb, which in the U.S. was the Steward-Warner vacuum tank that used a connection off the updraft intake manifold, though throughout 1927 car/l.d. and truck chassis were equipped by Hendon with the manual spark control underneath the steering wheel. The Block # 346709 continued as before. An example of this new Head is a Buffalo, New York-assembled 1927 Sedan, 12AA60722, Engine # 3534462, Block Cast # 346709, F-25-7 for June 25th, 1927, Job # 7210, Body # 8868, with a reputed Head Casting # 354939, although this is in fact a water outlet casting number or other part and not the Head casting # !.
*The “exception” motors, Ken suggests, were for export only, rated at 30 b.h.p, with the smaller valves. This seems to be correct: Hendon-assembled LM17145 had Engine # RT3,414,189. The gap in Series AA motors seems to have ended with # R3,520,000 or so, when the 32 b.h.p. motor was on stream. The February 1st 1928 Chevrolet Master Parts List confirms that these "exception motors" were Capitol Series LM motors

9. With the annual Dealer contracts being renewed in August 1927, there was a marketing change from August 1st of what were titled “1928 Models”, or “Late 1927” Models, Series AA and LM. Rhd # R3,662,879 has a # 36709 block and H-10-7 (August 10th 1927) block. Ken Kaufmann’s 1927 Coupe had a “FERRO” Block and Engine # 3,802,580 with a Cast Date of I-30-7 for September 30th, 1927 and although it was sold in the 1928 SALES YEAR it was identical to the 1927 Models. The Block Casting # continued as # 346709 right up until the end of 1927/8 production. Ferro had supplied Chevrolet with castings until Chevrolet Division took over the Saginaw Products Company plant in the Autumn/Fall of 1927 and renamed it the Chevrolet Gray Iron Foundry and introduced the first design of Chevrolet bow-tie into the castings. 1928 castings therefore had the Chevrolet bow-tie. 1928 Sales Year motor production started at around # 3,557,001, depending on when the summer break ended: the first Monday in August was the 1st. The official start of 1928 motor production started with # 3,863,596, 1927/1928 Sales Year Capitol Series AB and LM motor production ending with # 3,863,595. At some point around Engine # 3,862,000, or about 1,100 motors before, the right-hand drive Truck engine prefixed changed from “RT” to “TR” which was intended to signify the LO/L.O. series 2-port Head motor. However the earliest known “TR” motor was Engine # TR3,862,487, and this was not a registration mistake. Two known Hendon-assembled “1928” LM trucks were registered well into January 1928, and had an official increased capacity of “25 cwt”, which was an increase from the Series S to R 20 cwt/1-Ton, then the Series X to 1927 LM 20/25 cwt. The two LMs mentioned had Cast Dates of J-17-7 and J-20-7 for October 17th and 20th 1927 respectively, which were right at the end of 1927/8 Capitol engine casting. The new prefix indicated that the motor had the new 35 b.h.p. engine, with a two exhaust-port Cylinder Head, and a new 2-pipe exhaust manifold, larger valves and increased valve lift, but in the U.S., the new motor was accompanied by a larger radiator for the Series AB cars but not the trucks. It seems that a few thousand, or less than a day’s production, motors from the shutdown for re-tooling, a batch of 35 b.h.p. motors were shipped to Hendon and installed in the last of the LM chassis from January 1928. This would tie-in with the November 1927 Commercial Motor Exhibition in London at which large numbers of new trucks for 1928 would have been ordered. However, the summer and November 1927 G.M. Limited [British] Brochures show that the trucks then being assembled and sold had 32 b.h.p. motors, but no mention is made of the power rating of the ½ Ton chassis. The AA chassis used manual spark control. They may have in fact been fitted with cast iron pistons as per the truck engines. Ken suggests that there was a shutdown of a few weeks at the end of October 1927 to tool up for the new 1928 2-port motor, and then re-started December 1st with the assembly of motors for series AB/A.B. cars that started assembly 2 weeks later. Hendon had run out of motors, or were satisfying 1928 Model orders from the Exhibition and so the first batch of motors starting December 1st were shipped to England for assembly by Hendon in the last of the LM chassis. Of course the Capitol model continued into 1928 year for the Utility Express, which was rated at One Ton capacity in the U.S. and Canada, but at 25 cwt in the U.K. There seems to have been a lot of confusion about this, and it is often thought that the 1928 U.E. trucks were renamed “National” Series, as per the Series AB car and light-delivery/half-ton chassis [called the “National 10” on Hendon build plates]. The reason for this Capitol carry-over, is that the styling of the front sheet metal, radiator, and chassis frame did not change for the Capitol Series LM, LO, LP models. That is the LO and later LP were NEVER designed for the new six cylinder engine which the National AB models were with the increased radiator capacity and long bonnet! Having said that, Hendon were able to tailor-make chassis to suit requirements and a larger radiator and six-wheel conversions or chassis extensions were available through Dealer orders. The six-wheeler was then rated at 30cwt or 1½ ton capacity which would require the 35 b.h.p. motor and also perhaps a larger radiator which could have been British-sourced. However, there is evidence that despite the use of the 35 b.h.p. motor, there was still a 32 b.h.p. motor, which must have been an option: the unit using cast iron pistons with 4.3:1 Compression used in Heavy Duty truck applications to prevent a scuffed piston in the event of overheating on long hills and gradients. Ken suggests that the domestic market trucks used a 32 bh.p. motor because the radiator and surround were unchanged from 1927 to 1928.
ENGINES up to # 3,863,595.

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Oracle - Wow, that's enough information to keep me busy for awhile. It will come in handy if I decide to add a '27 Chevy to my collection.

And thanks to Ray for the engine number location.
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I agree.

I have updated my file on engines but have not been able to post it to the website so here's an extract that may assist you:


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7. The new 1927 Capitol models were launched on January 1st, 1927, and the previous Block Casting # 346709 was retained, though the Capitol series motor assembly started in early December 1926 [the date depends on the Christmas Break] at Engine # 2,874,999, with castings produced from around 23rd November 1926? onwards, for motor assembly between 2-3 weeks later, and then installation in chassis ready for the New Year Dealer launch. Canadian truck unit # 2,913,021 has Block # 346709 and Date of L-8-6 for December 8th, 1926, cast by FERRO. Hendon-assembled truck LM15451 had an Engine # between # RT2,932,700 and # RT2,937,400 [about two days’ assembly apart], but had a Block # 346709 and a Cast Date of L-16-6, i.e. December 16th, 1926. LM15971 had an Engine Number of approximately # RT3,037,800, and a Cast Date of A-10-7, for January 10th, 1927. Take in Coupe # 3AA26603 from the St Louis, MO Plant, with Engine # 3,036,813 and # 346709 Block, with a motor possibly built the same day as LM15971. A Truck motor as fitted to a 1926 Model Truck in Norway is Engine # T3,045,920 with the Block casting # 346709, and cast date A 28 7, January 28th 1927, the serial number being XB 2778 [GM International, Copenhagen assembly]. Another Norwegian example is # 3,146,563 with the 346709 Block and Cast Date of C-14-7 March 14th 1927; the Serial number is XB-AA3123. This is a combined car/pickup bodied in Norway. The Capitol series for 1927 Series AA car and light delivery chassis [10 cwt/ Half-Ton capacity] and the Series LM truck chassis. However, a known motor in the U.S. has Engine # 2,955,078 with Casting # 346709, and a Date of A-1-27, for January 1st, 1927. This Block was cast not by S.P.C. but by FERRO. Examples of other 1927 AA Series motors are Hendon-assembled chassis, AA90256 with Engine # 3,065,078 with a Cast Date of B-15-7 February 15th, 1927. Canadian chassis with Engine # 3,080,498, Cast Date B-21-7 for February 21st, 1927, Engine # 3,146,203 cast # 346709 with the last numbers obliterated by welds as originally installed in Coupe # 167730, and Engine # 3,381,023 assembled in late May. There seems to have been a gap in deliveries to Hendon for Series AA chassis from around # R3,300,000. An example of a U.S. car is Ken Kaufmann’s 1927 AA Coupe, assembled in the Oakland, California, Plant with Engine # 3,345,324 with a Block and Head Cast Date E-2-7, May 2nd, 1928, the engine being assembled a few days later and the car sold June 16th. The Head has the S.P.C. Cloverleaf symbol and a manual Distributor.

8. On June 7th 1927 there was a change in Cylinder Head to the 32 b.h.p. type as mentioned below, at Engine # 3,409,976 except for Engine # 3,410,101 to # 3,415,520*, the motors having a new type of Delco-Remy semi-automatic Distributor [mechanical flyweight as against a spring advance] which was mounted as before but required a different method of timing, as well as a change to a larger Carter carburettor, a Carter C-RJX-0, as compared the previous model 1-inch C-RX-0 [with a “C” prefix cast in indicating manufacture at the Bay City, Michigan, Plant as against the St. Louis, Missouri, Plant]. Associated with the new carburettor was an “Autovac” fuel feed to the carb, which in the U.S. was the Steward-Warner vacuum tank that used a connection off the updraft intake manifold, though throughout 1927 car/l.d. and truck chassis were equipped by Hendon with the manual spark control underneath the steering wheel. The Block # 346709 continued as before. An example of this new Head is a Buffalo, New York-assembled 1927 Sedan, 12AA60722, Engine # 3534462, Block Cast # 346709, F-25-7 for June 25th, 1927, Job # 7210, Body # 8868, with a reputed Head Casting # 354939, although this is in fact a water outlet casting number or other part and not the Head casting # !.
*The “exception” motors, Ken suggests, were for export only, rated at 30 b.h.p, with the smaller valves. This seems to be correct: Hendon-assembled LM17145 had Engine # RT3,414,189. The gap in Series AA motors seems to have ended with # R3,520,000 or so, when the 32 b.h.p. motor was on stream. The February 1st 1928 Chevrolet Master Parts List confirms that these "exception motors" were Capitol Series LM motors

9. With the annual Dealer contracts being renewed in August 1927, there was a marketing change from August 1st of what were titled “1928 Models”, or “Late 1927” Models, Series AA and LM. Rhd # R3,662,879 has a # 36709 block and H-10-7 (August 10th 1927) block. Ken Kaufmann’s 1927 Coupe had a “FERRO” Block and Engine # 3,802,580 with a Cast Date of I-30-7 for September 30th, 1927 and although it was sold in the 1928 SALES YEAR it was identical to the 1927 Models. The Block Casting # continued as # 346709 right up until the end of 1927/8 production. Ferro had supplied Chevrolet with castings until Chevrolet Division took over the Saginaw Products Company plant in the Autumn/Fall of 1927 and renamed it the Chevrolet Gray Iron Foundry and introduced the first design of Chevrolet bow-tie into the castings. 1928 castings therefore had the Chevrolet bow-tie. 1928 Sales Year motor production started at around # 3,557,001, depending on when the summer break ended: the first Monday in August was the 1st. The official start of 1928 motor production started with # 3,863,596, 1927/1928 Sales Year Capitol Series AB and LM motor production ending with # 3,863,595. At some point around Engine # 3,862,000, or about 1,100 motors before, the right-hand drive Truck engine prefixed changed from “RT” to “TR” which was intended to signify the LO/L.O. series 2-port Head motor. However the earliest known “TR” motor was Engine # TR3,862,487, and this was not a registration mistake. Two known Hendon-assembled “1928” LM trucks were registered well into January 1928, and had an official increased capacity of “25 cwt”, which was an increase from the Series S to R 20 cwt/1-Ton, then the Series X to 1927 LM 20/25 cwt. The two LMs mentioned had Cast Dates of J-17-7 and J-20-7 for October 17th and 20th 1927 respectively, which were right at the end of 1927/8 Capitol engine casting. The new prefix indicated that the motor had the new 35 b.h.p. engine, with a two exhaust-port Cylinder Head, and a new 2-pipe exhaust manifold, larger valves and increased valve lift, but in the U.S., the new motor was accompanied by a larger radiator for the Series AB cars but not the trucks. It seems that a few thousand, or less than a day’s production, motors from the shutdown for re-tooling, a batch of 35 b.h.p. motors were shipped to Hendon and installed in the last of the LM chassis from January 1928. This would tie-in with the November 1927 Commercial Motor Exhibition in London at which large numbers of new trucks for 1928 would have been ordered. However, the summer and November 1927 G.M. Limited [British] Brochures show that the trucks then being assembled and sold had 32 b.h.p. motors, but no mention is made of the power rating of the ½ Ton chassis. The AA chassis used manual spark control. They may have in fact been fitted with cast iron pistons as per the truck engines. Ken suggests that there was a shutdown of a few weeks at the end of October 1927 to tool up for the new 1928 2-port motor, and then re-started December 1st with the assembly of motors for series AB/A.B. cars that started assembly 2 weeks later. Hendon had run out of motors, or were satisfying 1928 Model orders from the Exhibition and so the first batch of motors starting December 1st were shipped to England for assembly by Hendon in the last of the LM chassis. Of course the Capitol model continued into 1928 year for the Utility Express, which was rated at One Ton capacity in the U.S. and Canada, but at 25 cwt in the U.K. There seems to have been a lot of confusion about this, and it is often thought that the 1928 U.E. trucks were renamed “National” Series, as per the Series AB car and light-delivery/half-ton chassis [called the “National 10” on Hendon build plates]. The reason for this Capitol carry-over, is that the styling of the front sheet metal, radiator, and chassis frame did not change for the Capitol Series LM, LO, LP models. That is the LO and later LP were NEVER designed for the new six cylinder engine which the National AB models were with the increased radiator capacity and long bonnet! Having said that, Hendon were able to tailor-make chassis to suit requirements and a larger radiator and six-wheel conversions or chassis extensions were available through Dealer orders. The six-wheeler was then rated at 30cwt or 1½ ton capacity which would require the 35 b.h.p. motor and also perhaps a larger radiator which could have been British-sourced. However, there is evidence that despite the use of the 35 b.h.p. motor, there was still a 32 b.h.p. motor, which must have been an option: the unit using cast iron pistons with 4.3:1 Compression used in Heavy Duty truck applications to prevent a scuffed piston in the event of overheating on long hills and gradients. Ken suggests that the domestic market trucks used a 32 bh.p. motor because the radiator and surround were unchanged from 1927 to 1928.
ENGINES up to # 3,863,595.

Right Oracle can you repeat that please, I just found my pen...

Just joking mate, great job with all that info..


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