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Let's start some discussion. I would like to see the National Judging Classes used at the Anniversary Meets. This would raise the standard for judging as we would have Sr Award winners from all over the country trying for that first in class. As it is now a person can work for years to get a vehicle ready for an anniversary meet, receive a first place and gets nothing to show for it. They are still a Junior Vehicle.In many cases there is only one vehicle in a class which makes a first place of less value. By using all the standard classes it would raise the bar to the level of a GRAND CLASSIC or GRAND NATIONAL MEET. It may be to late for 2006 but it could be done in 2011. What do you think?
See you down the back roads. Jim

It is possible for 2006 if the board could agree during next years board meeting.

The best way for that to happen is for you to submit a motion to your board representative.

Anything is possible if the membership's interests are at the heart of the argument and self-interest doesn't prevail!

- J

Thank you James. I'm working on background information.
See you down the back roads.

I perfer to keep the Anniversary Meet judging as it is.First it breaks its down to each year.Regional Meet judging has a few years combined.The fact that its not done in the usual Jr. & Sr. method gives a car that has never been judged before-a car that may be owned by a member that is not near a regional meet location, a chance to get a first place award.A much bigger honor than a first Jr.

Its true that any car, if its the only one of its kind in its class, can get a first (if it can come up with 900 points) with the present method but that is more the exception.(as was my '39 in 2001).Just some of my thoughts.........

Very well put Gene, It makes for a nice photo display issue of the G&D and it gives those that only get to dream about the Anniversery Meets a look at the varried quality of cars through out the club. It also it gives the members a good look at their peers cars and the competition is all on a level playing field, keep the caste system for those that strive to move up in class and are eager to attend show after show where they attend registered meets that are geared toward the formal judging methods.
let the members that are lucky enough to get to attend one of the Anniversery Meets the perception that they have a decent chance with his peers to get a 1st, 2nd or 3rd place in his year group, and all others that enter will be pictured and listed as a participant, none of which can be considered as losers.

It is just too bad that:

"...pictured and listed as a participant, none of which can be considered as losers."

can't be viewed on Chatter also. IMHO

Well, Maybe James can talk the other BOD members into doing something like that!... but that won't be necessary if the Chatter becomes only VCCA member accessible by 2006.

ACCESSIBLE? I got that from the Spell Chequer!

I didn't know you were British. Got a cheque for the bank? LOL

Jolly Ho! Bloody Cheque is in the Post!

Tally Ho, ole chap!

Put the petrol can in the boot, and cheque under the bonnet before you go on tour, ole man.

...put the proper amount of wind in the tyres and scrape the buggers off the windscreen!

Man, are we goin' get burned and I ain't talking about Texas in June either...

Even though I have been active both judging and having my car judged in AACA and VCCA, I just wonder if judging would actually have a negative impact on certain prospective participants. They may be too intimidated if the stress is too much on "High Point" cars. I think it is great to see all Chevys no mater what condition. I also think the fact an old Chevy is still on the road is a tribute to the owner and it does not have to be gorgeous restored car for all to appreciate.

I have a fairly nice 32 Roadster but I don't plan on bringing it to the meet. I am restoring another 32, a Phaeton, and I'll bring that if I get it finished. The point is, I think it is better to share a more scarce car so everyone can enjoy it (If I don't screw it up). Of course the real delight would be to bring a "Moon Light Roadster" from down under.

I think a VCCA "Grand National" meet is good. I just don't know if it would be best to have it at an "Anniversary" meet. I can also see where it could also be a drawing card. If you had separate meet, and had it say sometime between anniversary meets, it would be another event to help "shorten" the five year span.

Thats my two cents

Roadster 32, maybe a Grand National meet could be held the week before the Anniversery meet and the results presented at the Anniversery Banquet. The Anniversery attendees could spectate and learn how a meet is conducted and maybe get a good feel for a well conducted formal meet.
We already have many meets between the Anniversery year meeting, It is just a matter of getting more members to start attending them, If you haven't attended a show and meet just Attend one, maybe you will like it!

I really like the idea of a Grand National Meet. But, other than judging, how would it differ from an Anniversary Meet, which is considered by some to be a "special" meet or an "International Meet" even though it is a National Meet? And if there were a Grand National Meet, wouldn't that be the same as a Regional Meet that is hosted by a region, but is actually called a National Meet because there is class judging? :confused: :confused:

I think that the concept of having senior winners from various "Regional Meets" throughout the country compete with each other at a "Grand National Meet" for the overall "Grand National" winner in each class is an excellent idea. And, the highest scoring car on the field would be considered the "Grand National Best of Show", or the "Grand National Champion" . With that system, the "national" judging would be the same whether it was at the regional level or the national level instead of having two different types of national judging.....one for the regions, which is national, and one for the Anniversary Meet, which is also national but isn't.

my two cents: when a hobby car club sets up their judging philosophy such that there is only one winner per class, it leaves a sour taste in the other class participants who came but didn't get "best of class". why not set up the judging so that all cars in class X compete against a points system so that there can be multiple top flight or multiple seniors etc. this system actually encourages members within a class to help one another rather than feeling like they have to beat the other members participatibg in a given class. this system has worked very well for NCRS which started out with 7 members in 1974 and now number well over 15,000. mike

Mike I somewhat agree with you. Let me say up front, I don't want to get too much like NCRS. Been there, done that!

I don't think there is anything wrong with multiple "winners". If more than one car is "correct", then more than one car should receive recognition. In AACA, even at Grand National Meets, there can be multiple winners. Of course the point spread is a lot tighter, but that's OK.

I don't see any sense in doing it the week before an anniversary meet. Either do it at the meet or some distant time from it. I do like AACA's venue of one year east of the Mississippi and the next time west.

roadster: sorry to hear you've been there and done that and don't wish vcca to become an NCRS clone( i assume you're referring to the lengths at which ncrs strives to return the restored car to "as it left st. louis" condition ). that's cool and i can understand not all owners wish a finished product that's as close as possible to the condition of the car as it rolled off the assembly line. my previous post was not directed to the ncrs"close to original as possible" philosophy. my point was to enlighten readers of this forum on the "no best in class" philosophy that i believe seperates ncrs from the other car clubs that i've been associated with for years. just trying to placate the owners who come in second or third to the "best in class" owner. regards, mike

To me, The sense of having the Grand National Meet the week before the Anniversery meet is to draw members that are already planning to attend the Anniversery meet that otherwise would not drive several hundred miles to attend a meet or show other than a Tour.....

I have read the comments on this subject, and I agree for the most part. But! Until we start judged our cars as delivered from the factory to the dealer no judging will be fair to the owner of the car. Correct parts that are plated, painted or black oxide or natural metal, I saw an early 1930's car that had all cadium plated nuts, bolts and screws it was a first place car, the car was sold and the new owner corrected all of this to black oxide because he wanted it to be correct. Each time the car was a first place winner so who was correct? This is one problem that I have noticed that happens in judging.

"...Until we start judged our cars as delivered from the factory to the dealer..."

Weren't they delivered with some parts not attached, that had to be attached by the dealer?

What about Chevrolet accessories that were installed by the dealer and not at the factory?

Larry: You have a very good point, and I have seen the exact same thing happen many times. For example, I know of one early six-cylinder Chevy that has the wrong paint, the wrong upholstery, and all of the brake rods are cad. plated and the car received 999 points at a VCCA meet. :( :(

Also, if a "Grand National" Meet was to come about, would it be rotated around the country from west coast to east coast to give everyone a chance to attend, or would the meet be like the Anniversary Meet and held in a "generalized" area of the United States each time instead of being rotated to the west coast and the east coast from time to time? :confused: :confused:

in terms of where to hold the conventions or meets, NCRS has found that the general membership is served most faily if the meets are rotated, ie, west coast this year, mid-country next year and the east coast the following year. I believe if VCCA were to have a "national Convention" yearly and rotate as mentioned above, membership participation would improve.Mike

Hey Mike! Yep, that's how it should work. Up until 1991, the Anniversary Meets used to be rotated around the country as well.

Mike, I have been involved with NCRS. I think what has happened with a lot of the judging in NCRS has nothing to do with "the lenghts at which NCRS strives to return the restored car as it left it's St. Louis condition". On more than one occassion I endured the hot and verbose "disucssion" on how much over spray was correct. That is rediculous. That is the type of thing I am refering to. On the other hand, there are some very strong points which could be emulated from NCRS. Since I am involved in judging and having a car judged, I can see pros and cons. I think the pros out weight the cons but with caution.

In NCRS we remove certain items to check other items. In AACA we don't. What's interesting is the good cars still come to the top either way. Sure some manage to slip by.

I think judging helps to keep focus on preserving much of the origniality of the cars. It may have it's faults, but it helps to keep history alive.

I'm getting off my soap box and going out to the garage so I can listen to the 'ol 6 purrrrr.