1936 2 door phaeton - 01/06/12 02:32 AM
There is a 2 door '36 Phaeton going up for auction in Oklahoma City on the 7th of this month. Is this authentic? I have seen 4 doors but not 2 door Phaetons. www.miearsauction.com
Re: 1936 2 door phaeton - 01/06/12 02:56 AM
I looked at the photo and BOY , is that rare. Both doors are on the left side.
Mike
Mike
Re: 1936 2 door phaeton - 01/06/12 06:29 PM
Check out the Jensen-bodied '36 that I mention on my page:
http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/chevytalk/GMhistory/convertible.html
Yes, it's the same Jensen brothers of Jensen car fame, and less so outside the UK, Jensen trucks and buses.
PS I suddenly remembered that in Canada there was in theory in 1936 only a Master Series FA 1006 Phaeton chassis but none were built and a Standard FC 1206 Phaeton chassis of which just 1, yes one, was built.
http:/
Yes, it's the same Jensen brothers of Jensen car fame, and less so outside the UK, Jensen trucks and buses.
PS I suddenly remembered that in Canada there was in theory in 1936 only a Master Series FA 1006 Phaeton chassis but none were built and a Standard FC 1206 Phaeton chassis of which just 1, yes one, was built.
Re: 1936 2 door phaeton - 01/06/12 09:09 PM
Mike, I enlarged the picture and I see the other door handle.
I bet the other side has two doors just like those.
Cleon
I bet the other side has two doors just like those.
Cleon
Re: 1936 2 door phaeton - 01/07/12 04:02 AM
Are they not Holden bodied as well, for the Australian market?
Re: 1936 2 door phaeton - 01/07/12 04:58 AM
it has 4 doors and appears to be LHD. Windshield design with 4 sides to the frame area are like an auzzie holden body.
mike
mike
Re: 1936 2 door phaeton - 01/30/12 04:12 AM
I am the lucky new owner of the subject FOUR door Phaeton.
This is one of the ones made in Brazil, but not by Holden. They look quite different. I am still trying to track down more information. See the reference on the last page of 1936 in the Crestline book titled "75 years of Chevrolet".
It has Kilometer speedometer, left hand drive, and underhood tag states:
Style No. 197
Body No. 36SE 436
Trim No. 36B I
Paint No. 246 51949
All I have been able to decipher from this is that it originally had a Navy Blue paint job.
I am sure when this is all through, I will have become the world's foremost authority on this body style for 36.
John
This is one of the ones made in Brazil, but not by Holden. They look quite different. I am still trying to track down more information. See the reference on the last page of 1936 in the Crestline book titled "75 years of Chevrolet".
It has Kilometer speedometer, left hand drive, and underhood tag states:
Style No. 197
Body No. 36SE 436
Trim No. 36B I
Paint No. 246 51949
All I have been able to decipher from this is that it originally had a Navy Blue paint job.
I am sure when this is all through, I will have become the world's foremost authority on this body style for 36.
John
Re: 1936 2 door phaeton - 01/30/12 04:29 AM
Too the best of my knowledge in Argentina GM only had an assembly planet. The body stampings came from either Canada or the USA and re-assembled in Argentina.
Prior to 1939-40 Argentina was right hand drive, and then in 1940 they became left hand drive. I have seen nothing about Gm producing cars on an assembly line in BRAZIL..
The aluminum firewall plate should state where the car was made. Your leaving something out ?
mike
Prior to 1939-40 Argentina was right hand drive, and then in 1940 they became left hand drive. I have seen nothing about Gm producing cars on an assembly line in BRAZIL..
The aluminum firewall plate should state where the car was made. Your leaving something out ?
mike
Re: 1936 2 door phaeton - 01/30/12 08:54 AM
GM OVERSEAS PLANT CODES
XA GENERAL MOTORS LIMITED, HENDON, LONDON, ENGLAND, APRIL 1923 TRUCKS/MAY 1924 CARS/MARCH 1925 CAR AND TRUCK BODIES
XB GENERAL MOTORS INTERNATIONAL A/S, KØBENHAVEN, DENMARK, ANNOUNCED October 1923, IN PRODUCTION January 7 1924 [Chevrolet truck]
XC GENERAL MOTORS ARGENTINA, BUENOS AIRES, April 1924
XD GENERAL MOTORS CONTINENTAL S.A., ANTWERP, BELGIUM, March 1925
XE GENERAL MOTORS DO BRASIL, S.A., SÂO PAULO, BRAZIL, September 1925 and then a further plant in Sao Caetano de Sul in 1929 for assembly of vehicles and bus bodies.
XF GENERAL MOTORS G.m.b.H., WAREHOUSE IN HAMBURG-FREIHAFEN [Free Trade Area], September 1925, TRUCK ASSEMBLY April 8 1926, then moved to Berlin-Charlottenhütte November 1926 until new plant opened a short distance away in Berlin-Karlsruher in October-December 1927. Assembly finished and became Zone Office in March 1932.
General Motors GmbH
Charlottenburger Strasse 63/85 Berlin … Borsigwalde
then Charlottenburger Strasse 1-93 Berlin-Borsigwalde
1925: G.M. Peninsular is established in Malaga, Spain, as General Motors Export Division’s first warehouse.
1925: General Motors (France) S.A. is organized with a sales office in Paris and warehouse in Le Havre.
XG GENERAL MOTORS SOUTH AFRICAN PTY. LIMITED, ELIZABETHTOWN, [LATER PORT ELIZABETH], August 1926
XH GENERAL MOTORS NEW ZEALAND LIMITED, PETONE, NEW ZEALAND, October 1926…although GM claim it started 30 August.
XI? GENERAL MOTORS URUGUYA S.A., MONTEVIDEO, November 1926 the REGIONAL HQ was located in the Arijon Building, Montevideo, Uruguay by September 1927.
XJ TO XN? [NEVER USED] GENERAL MOTORS (AUSTRALIA) PTY. LIMITED, 1 November 1926:
Adelaide
Brisbane
Melbourne
Perth
Sydney
XO? GENERAL MOTORS JAPAN LIMITED, OSAKA, April 1927 GM Japan Ltd. was established in Kobe, Japan and then set up the Osaka assembly plant about 20 miles away. CLOSED 1941
1926: General Motors Near East Limited, Alexandria, incorporated.
XP? U.A.C. OF NIGERIA LIMITED, LAGOS 1927 [Chevrolet CKD]
XQ GENERAL MOTORS JAVA HANDEL MIJ INCORPORATED FEBRUARY 3 1927 in TANJONG PRIOK [JAKARTA], BATAVIA, NETHERLANDS EAST INDIES serving N.E.I., Malay Federation, French Indo-China and Siam. However may have only started assembly in May 1927.
XR? NOT KNOWN!!
XS GENERAL MOTORS NØRDISKA, STOCKHOLM, 26 January, 1928
XT GENERAL MOTORS INDIA, BOMBAY, December 1928
XU? GENERAL MOTORS POLSCE w Sp. Zo o, WARSAW, September 1928 [to 1931]
XV? GENERAL MOTORS (FRANCE) S.A., LE HAVRE, 1931 to April 1932?
XW? GENERAL MOTORS PENINSULAR, BARCELONA, SPAIN 1932
XX? GENERAL MOTORS SUISSE, S.A., BIEL/BIENNE, 8 February 1936
XX? GENERAL MOTORS NEAR EAST, S.A., ALEXANDRIA., TRUCK ASSEMBLY, 1936
XY? GENERAL MOTORS DE MEXICO, TRUCK ASSEMBLY, 1936
LILPOP, RAU i LOWENSTEIN S.A., WARSAW, POLAND, 1935-39: No Code
GENERAL MOTORS (FRANCE) S.A., GENNEVILLIERS, January 1939..No Code?
GENERAL MOTORS LIMITED, SOUTHAMPTON…No Code, 8 December 1939, bombed 30 November 1940.
RANGOON, BURMA, T.U.P. ASSEMBLY, 1941, SEIZED 1942
PERSIAN T.U.P. ASSEMBLY, 1942
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
My understanding is that GM Argentina did in fact have a body-producing facility and exported to Brazil and possibly Soutn Africa as well. The Luton, Bedfordshire, England plant of Vauxhall Motors Ltd built Chevrolet cars in 1930-31, including the engines but the bodies were built by the former General Motors Ltd assembly plant in Hendon, London and possibly from Bloomfield, NJ Boxing Plant stampings [ex-Flint Fisher Body]. GM Argentia received CKD kits from Bloomfield and not Oshawa, Ontario.
XA GENERAL MOTORS LIMITED, HENDON, LONDON, ENGLAND, APRIL 1923 TRUCKS/MAY 1924 CARS/MARCH 1925 CAR AND TRUCK BODIES
XB GENERAL MOTORS INTERNATIONAL A/S, KØBENHAVEN, DENMARK, ANNOUNCED October 1923, IN PRODUCTION January 7 1924 [Chevrolet truck]
XC GENERAL MOTORS ARGENTINA, BUENOS AIRES, April 1924
XD GENERAL MOTORS CONTINENTAL S.A., ANTWERP, BELGIUM, March 1925
XE GENERAL MOTORS DO BRASIL, S.A., SÂO PAULO, BRAZIL, September 1925 and then a further plant in Sao Caetano de Sul in 1929 for assembly of vehicles and bus bodies.
XF GENERAL MOTORS G.m.b.H., WAREHOUSE IN HAMBURG-FREIHAFEN [Free Trade Area], September 1925, TRUCK ASSEMBLY April 8 1926, then moved to Berlin-Charlottenhütte November 1926 until new plant opened a short distance away in Berlin-Karlsruher in October-December 1927. Assembly finished and became Zone Office in March 1932.
General Motors GmbH
Charlottenburger Strasse 63/85 Berlin … Borsigwalde
then Charlottenburger Strasse 1-93 Berlin-Borsigwalde
1925: G.M. Peninsular is established in Malaga, Spain, as General Motors Export Division’s first warehouse.
1925: General Motors (France) S.A. is organized with a sales office in Paris and warehouse in Le Havre.
XG GENERAL MOTORS SOUTH AFRICAN PTY. LIMITED, ELIZABETHTOWN, [LATER PORT ELIZABETH], August 1926
XH GENERAL MOTORS NEW ZEALAND LIMITED, PETONE, NEW ZEALAND, October 1926…although GM claim it started 30 August.
XI? GENERAL MOTORS URUGUYA S.A., MONTEVIDEO, November 1926 the REGIONAL HQ was located in the Arijon Building, Montevideo, Uruguay by September 1927.
XJ TO XN? [NEVER USED] GENERAL MOTORS (AUSTRALIA) PTY. LIMITED, 1 November 1926:
Adelaide
Brisbane
Melbourne
Perth
Sydney
XO? GENERAL MOTORS JAPAN LIMITED, OSAKA, April 1927 GM Japan Ltd. was established in Kobe, Japan and then set up the Osaka assembly plant about 20 miles away. CLOSED 1941
1926: General Motors Near East Limited, Alexandria, incorporated.
XP? U.A.C. OF NIGERIA LIMITED, LAGOS 1927 [Chevrolet CKD]
XQ GENERAL MOTORS JAVA HANDEL MIJ INCORPORATED FEBRUARY 3 1927 in TANJONG PRIOK [JAKARTA], BATAVIA, NETHERLANDS EAST INDIES serving N.E.I., Malay Federation, French Indo-China and Siam. However may have only started assembly in May 1927.
XR? NOT KNOWN!!
XS GENERAL MOTORS NØRDISKA, STOCKHOLM, 26 January, 1928
XT GENERAL MOTORS INDIA, BOMBAY, December 1928
XU? GENERAL MOTORS POLSCE w Sp. Zo o, WARSAW, September 1928 [to 1931]
XV? GENERAL MOTORS (FRANCE) S.A., LE HAVRE, 1931 to April 1932?
XW? GENERAL MOTORS PENINSULAR, BARCELONA, SPAIN 1932
XX? GENERAL MOTORS SUISSE, S.A., BIEL/BIENNE, 8 February 1936
XX? GENERAL MOTORS NEAR EAST, S.A., ALEXANDRIA., TRUCK ASSEMBLY, 1936
XY? GENERAL MOTORS DE MEXICO, TRUCK ASSEMBLY, 1936
LILPOP, RAU i LOWENSTEIN S.A., WARSAW, POLAND, 1935-39: No Code
GENERAL MOTORS (FRANCE) S.A., GENNEVILLIERS, January 1939..No Code?
GENERAL MOTORS LIMITED, SOUTHAMPTON…No Code, 8 December 1939, bombed 30 November 1940.
RANGOON, BURMA, T.U.P. ASSEMBLY, 1941, SEIZED 1942
PERSIAN T.U.P. ASSEMBLY, 1942
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
My understanding is that GM Argentina did in fact have a body-producing facility and exported to Brazil and possibly Soutn Africa as well. The Luton, Bedfordshire, England plant of Vauxhall Motors Ltd built Chevrolet cars in 1930-31, including the engines but the bodies were built by the former General Motors Ltd assembly plant in Hendon, London and possibly from Bloomfield, NJ Boxing Plant stampings [ex-Flint Fisher Body]. GM Argentia received CKD kits from Bloomfield and not Oshawa, Ontario.
Re: 1936 2 door phaeton - 01/30/12 07:12 PM
Okay........great stuff.....but how do you know 100% that Argentina assembly received its body stampings exclusively from bloomfield NJ USA. I have seen nothing written yet to indicate that.
mike
mike
Re: 1936 2 door phaeton - 01/30/12 10:50 PM
Bloomfield supplied the South American plants, and most of the rest of the GMOO plants from its opening until war's start. I have data off 1929-32 Argentine-assembled rhd cars and they were definitely sourced from Bloomfield judging by the Flint-built engine numbers.
However, from 1933 I think it was. Oshawa started sending out CKD kits to Australia. I have the official figures for Oshawa for 1932 (car), 1933 (trucks), 1935 (trucks), 1936 (cars), and 1938 (cars). The 1936 car production data sheet shows that GM-Holden's received 243 CKD Model 1026 Master Passenger Chassis and 1052 Model 1226 CKD Standard Chassis. These were obviously bodied by GM-Holden's. In 1938 CKD cars were being sent to GM New Zealand. In 1934 NZ received Tarrytown SUP cars although there must have also been Bloomfield CKD exports as well. By 1936, possibly starting in 1935 NZ received Oshawa SUP cars but there may also have been Bloomfield CKD kits until 19378. 1936 saw GM NZ start an expansion plan so it could be that it was indeed 1937 that saw the first Oshawa CKD.
However this was not always the case (excuse pun) as by 1922 Argentina was a major export market for the Oshawa plant. I would guess that after the original plant opened, as with the other new assembly plants, Bloomfield took over CKD exports until GM-Holden's started taking Oshawa CKD.
In 1936 the GM Export Division consisted of four territorial regions, each under the charge of a regional director who was responsible to the General Manager in New York City. These territories were:
EUROPE: Plants in France, Belgium, Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark, Spain and Egypt, though G.M. Peninsular, Barcelona was caught up in the Civil War. The regional director was actually based in G.M. Continental, Antwerp, Belgium.
SOUTH AMERICA and SOUTH AFRICA: with three plants in Brazil. Argentina and South Africa.
AUSTRALASIA: assembly plants and complete body manufacturing plant in Australia, and an assembly Plant at Wellington, New Zealand.
FAR EAST: with assembly plants in Osaka, Japan, Bombay, India, and Jararta, Java, Dutch East Indies.
All of the planet not covered by these regions was handled by the General Motors Export Company in New York.
You can thus see why it has been suggested that GM Argentina supplied bodies to the Brazil and SA plants. However, I canot prove this and it is merely a suggestion gleaned from 20 or so years of research by me and longer by colleagues in the US.
Here is a potted history that might interest:
1925, April: General Motors Argentina, Buenos Aires
1925, September: General Motors do Brasil, S.A. Avenida Presidente Wilson. A former warehouse, Sâo Paulo, starts production.
1926, April: General Motors Uruguaya in production but closed in depression.
1928, November: General Motors Argentina in production in new Barracas Plant.
1929, October: General Motors do Brazil in production at Sâo Caetano Plant.
1938, Lima, Peru, Branch opens.
1938, General Motors Argentina purchases 73 acres at San Martin.
1939, General Motors Argentina initiates Frigidaire manufacture.
1940, General Motors Argentina opens San Martin Plant.
However, from 1933 I think it was. Oshawa started sending out CKD kits to Australia. I have the official figures for Oshawa for 1932 (car), 1933 (trucks), 1935 (trucks), 1936 (cars), and 1938 (cars). The 1936 car production data sheet shows that GM-Holden's received 243 CKD Model 1026 Master Passenger Chassis and 1052 Model 1226 CKD Standard Chassis. These were obviously bodied by GM-Holden's. In 1938 CKD cars were being sent to GM New Zealand. In 1934 NZ received Tarrytown SUP cars although there must have also been Bloomfield CKD exports as well. By 1936, possibly starting in 1935 NZ received Oshawa SUP cars but there may also have been Bloomfield CKD kits until 19378. 1936 saw GM NZ start an expansion plan so it could be that it was indeed 1937 that saw the first Oshawa CKD.
However this was not always the case (excuse pun) as by 1922 Argentina was a major export market for the Oshawa plant. I would guess that after the original plant opened, as with the other new assembly plants, Bloomfield took over CKD exports until GM-Holden's started taking Oshawa CKD.
In 1936 the GM Export Division consisted of four territorial regions, each under the charge of a regional director who was responsible to the General Manager in New York City. These territories were:
EUROPE: Plants in France, Belgium, Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark, Spain and Egypt, though G.M. Peninsular, Barcelona was caught up in the Civil War. The regional director was actually based in G.M. Continental, Antwerp, Belgium.
SOUTH AMERICA and SOUTH AFRICA: with three plants in Brazil. Argentina and South Africa.
AUSTRALASIA: assembly plants and complete body manufacturing plant in Australia, and an assembly Plant at Wellington, New Zealand.
FAR EAST: with assembly plants in Osaka, Japan, Bombay, India, and Jararta, Java, Dutch East Indies.
All of the planet not covered by these regions was handled by the General Motors Export Company in New York.
You can thus see why it has been suggested that GM Argentina supplied bodies to the Brazil and SA plants. However, I canot prove this and it is merely a suggestion gleaned from 20 or so years of research by me and longer by colleagues in the US.
Here is a potted history that might interest:
1925, April: General Motors Argentina, Buenos Aires
1925, September: General Motors do Brasil, S.A. Avenida Presidente Wilson. A former warehouse, Sâo Paulo, starts production.
1926, April: General Motors Uruguaya in production but closed in depression.
1928, November: General Motors Argentina in production in new Barracas Plant.
1929, October: General Motors do Brazil in production at Sâo Caetano Plant.
1938, Lima, Peru, Branch opens.
1938, General Motors Argentina purchases 73 acres at San Martin.
1939, General Motors Argentina initiates Frigidaire manufacture.
1940, General Motors Argentina opens San Martin Plant.
Re: 1936 2 door phaeton - 01/30/12 11:01 PM
As you know I am a massive fan of GM of Canada and have researched the history of GM in Canada since 1902. I have a very soft spot for the ill-fated Regina, Sask. Plant, and can say that from 1928 (1929 MY) to 1930 and in 1931 when the Plant was open they received stampings from Oshawa. In late 1937 for 1938 MY they seem to have started their own stampings, and indded I have photos of those operations. I cannot 100% state that there is written proof that Oshawa did not supply any other GM plant anywhere other than Regina but the evidence suggests that this was so. I am willing to be corrected and apologise if I am wrong! I would add that in 1931 Oshawa supplied 'green' McLaughlin-Buick bodies for assembly by Lendrum & Hartman in London, but apart from any McL-Buicks that were assembled overseas other than by GM-Holden's, I am not aware of any CKD bodies until 1940 when military vehicle CKD production began.
Re: 1936 2 door phaeton - 01/31/12 04:05 AM
Well, I guess I might have started a discussion here.
This is a link to some photos of this particular car.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/36phaeton
I included the old Crestline book information. That is where I got the Brazilian connection. There are two others I have found photos of so far. A red one, that looks identical except for no side-mount, and spare on rear instead of luggage rack. I have no idea where that car is located. Another is in a museum in Florida, but it has external hinges on the rear doors (can't see the front) and two side-mounts (may have been added in restoration, or was optional). Neither resembles the Holden versions. Those had "A" pillars integral with the cowl, rear hinges on front doors, front hinges on rear doors, and to my eye, a more frumpy overall look.
As this progresses, I will post more photos.
The wood needs major work, and as it is different from any other existing Chevy, no kit parts will work. Therefore, I will gut up and take it to a guy who is known for his re-wooding of Classics for concourse shows.
John
This is a link to some photos of this particular car.
http:/
I included the old Crestline book information. That is where I got the Brazilian connection. There are two others I have found photos of so far. A red one, that looks identical except for no side-mount, and spare on rear instead of luggage rack. I have no idea where that car is located. Another is in a museum in Florida, but it has external hinges on the rear doors (can't see the front) and two side-mounts (may have been added in restoration, or was optional). Neither resembles the Holden versions. Those had "A" pillars integral with the cowl, rear hinges on front doors, front hinges on rear doors, and to my eye, a more frumpy overall look.
As this progresses, I will post more photos.
The wood needs major work, and as it is different from any other existing Chevy, no kit parts will work. Therefore, I will gut up and take it to a guy who is known for his re-wooding of Classics for concourse shows.
John
Re: 1936 2 door phaeton - 01/31/12 03:08 PM
Darn! I thought that after 20 years I had seen all types of GM export platea and now there's a new style! I suspect, but may be wrong, that this was one of the bodies built in Argentina and exported to Brazil and also South Africa, and possibly Uruguay. Is there a chassis number or plate known?
Re: 1936 2 door phaeton - 01/31/12 03:57 PM
As to my knowledge the first assembly business outside America was made "down under" by a private importer. They put together SUP vehicles in 1922-23. The Hendon assembly was working the same and started in 1923, delivering the first car in June, 6 moths before Copenhagen, which delivered CKD cars and trucks.
I suppose you have seen pictures of a 1931 "royal" Speedster built in Copenhagen for a Swedish prince (36 built, 1 left) and the Town car sold to the Finnish President in 1931, still excisting? We also have discovered a picture of a 1933-34?? convertible with Gläser body in Denmark. The car was destroyed by the farmer transporting pigs to the market. The whole car was dumped after some time, completely rotten.
We newly discovered a 1929 Phaeton with enlarged chassis (for 7 seats), built in Copenhagen, XBAEFC and #. (FC = enlarged chassis) Another 1931 Phaeton was enlarged locally near Geiranger in Norway shortly after it was new. Both existing.
THe famous racing driver Juan Manuel Fangio started his long distance racing with a Chevrolet by coinsidence. He was looking for a Ford, but could not find a suitable that the local potatoe farmers could afford, in time. So they bought a 1939 Chevrolet from the previous year, at a reasonable price.
Fascinating stories all the way.
Re: 1936 2 door phaeton - 01/31/12 04:17 PM
Well this is getting very interesting.
From the pictures in your flicker account i can identify a few things on your 36 tub.
The luggage rack is the same as used on 1934 1935 chevrolet standard series USA built.
Tops of the doors have the small chrome ferrules that the posts from the side curtain system fit into. Same as 32--35 USA built roadsters and phaetons.
The windshield posts look like the 1932 to 1935 roadsters and phaetons USA built.
Hard to tell from pictures, but if that windshield frame has 3 sides ; metal top....L&R sides, bottom is glass. Then its the same as USA built roadsters and phaetons 1932-1935 The 3 sided windshield frame is made reproduction by the filling station. Below the tilt out windshield glass frame is a metal strip that runs from post to post into which a rubber seal fits and the metal strip fits into a rubber side to side seal, same as 1932-35 roadsters and phaetons. that is available as a set from www.bowtiereproductions.com 1--440--327--4800 in OHIO. Price is $150 plus postage. You have to get the metal strip chrome plated.
Re the pictured build plate. Until my 34 roadster assembled in Argentina arrives here some time in march, i cannot shed anymore info.
But here are my thoughts from viewing the 36 plate. The vehicle was assembled as LEFT HAND DRIVE in the USA and exported as a completed car to argentina or brazil thru the USA export office. Argentina was still right hand drive in 1936, no idea on Brazil. Not only did GM ship CKD ( complete knock down ) vehicles they also shipped completely assembled and ready to drive auctombiles. Thats what i think this is.
just my opinion
mike lynch
From the pictures in your flicker account i can identify a few things on your 36 tub.
The luggage rack is the same as used on 1934 1935 chevrolet standard series USA built.
Tops of the doors have the small chrome ferrules that the posts from the side curtain system fit into. Same as 32--35 USA built roadsters and phaetons.
The windshield posts look like the 1932 to 1935 roadsters and phaetons USA built.
Hard to tell from pictures, but if that windshield frame has 3 sides ; metal top....L&R sides, bottom is glass. Then its the same as USA built roadsters and phaetons 1932-1935 The 3 sided windshield frame is made reproduction by the filling station. Below the tilt out windshield glass frame is a metal strip that runs from post to post into which a rubber seal fits and the metal strip fits into a rubber side to side seal, same as 1932-35 roadsters and phaetons. that is available as a set from www.bowtiereproductions.com 1--440--327--4800 in OHIO. Price is $150 plus postage. You have to get the metal strip chrome plated.
Re the pictured build plate. Until my 34 roadster assembled in Argentina arrives here some time in march, i cannot shed anymore info.
But here are my thoughts from viewing the 36 plate. The vehicle was assembled as LEFT HAND DRIVE in the USA and exported as a completed car to argentina or brazil thru the USA export office. Argentina was still right hand drive in 1936, no idea on Brazil. Not only did GM ship CKD ( complete knock down ) vehicles they also shipped completely assembled and ready to drive auctombiles. Thats what i think this is.
just my opinion
mike lynch
Re: 1936 2 door phaeton - 01/31/12 05:19 PM
Oshawa started exporting KD chassis in September 1921 for 1922 MY and Hendon started 'assembly' in November 1921. Hendon started CKD assembly from Tarrytown in April 1924, using the very rare code XA for a short while.
On another note, back on thread, I like the idea of a NY-ordered chassis that was bodied in Argentina. At the time the UK office in London advertised that they could supply a car for export anywhere, or for use when anyone arrived from overeas. As you know the liners used to take owners' cars in the hold for use overseas on vacation or business trips.
On another note, back on thread, I like the idea of a NY-ordered chassis that was bodied in Argentina. At the time the UK office in London advertised that they could supply a car for export anywhere, or for use when anyone arrived from overeas. As you know the liners used to take owners' cars in the hold for use overseas on vacation or business trips.
Re: 1936 2 door phaeton - 01/31/12 06:46 PM
As work on the car progresses, I will be looking for any clues on individual parts for place of manufacture.
I have not found any series / body number plate yet, and I have looked all around the normal area of the seat frame, etc.
There are new photos on Flickr that show better detail on the windshield, front and rear. The hunk of wood on the floor is the remains of the windshield header. There is another showing where I thought the other data plate should be, and the grill as discussed below.
I have noticed that the running boards are not standard 36 either. They are ribbed, and do not have the nipple holes to hold on the mat like 36 literature states.
The grill insert is another one I have never seen. The vertical bars are separate from each other, not stamped from the one piece as usual. Perhaps this is just an aftermarket replacement?
I have not found any series / body number plate yet, and I have looked all around the normal area of the seat frame, etc.
There are new photos on Flickr that show better detail on the windshield, front and rear. The hunk of wood on the floor is the remains of the windshield header. There is another showing where I thought the other data plate should be, and the grill as discussed below.
I have noticed that the running boards are not standard 36 either. They are ribbed, and do not have the nipple holes to hold on the mat like 36 literature states.
The grill insert is another one I have never seen. The vertical bars are separate from each other, not stamped from the one piece as usual. Perhaps this is just an aftermarket replacement?
Re: 1936 2 door phaeton - 01/31/12 06:48 PM
I see no reason why GM ie chevrolet, did not fabricate some roadsters and tourings for export purposes, strickly to the warmer climates where those 2 body styles were most popular and familiar to the regions.
As a for instance, i was in a fellows garage in NY PA western border area, looking at purchasing a 34 chevrolet std roadster from him in the late 70's early 80's. What i saw in that garage was what i call a "convertable" sedan in a master body. It was loaded with accessories and was right hand drive. It had the removable post between the front and rear doors like a convertable sedan is supposed too. Oh to have had a camera on that day. I have never seen mention of this 1934 body style in a chevrolet anywhere .
So i think its possible they produced this 36 touring and swiped from factory stock existing 1932--1935 windshield systems and luggage racks for them. Did the Argentina factory have the ability to produce this body ??
just a few thoughts
mike
As a for instance, i was in a fellows garage in NY PA western border area, looking at purchasing a 34 chevrolet std roadster from him in the late 70's early 80's. What i saw in that garage was what i call a "convertable" sedan in a master body. It was loaded with accessories and was right hand drive. It had the removable post between the front and rear doors like a convertable sedan is supposed too. Oh to have had a camera on that day. I have never seen mention of this 1934 body style in a chevrolet anywhere .
So i think its possible they produced this 36 touring and swiped from factory stock existing 1932--1935 windshield systems and luggage racks for them. Did the Argentina factory have the ability to produce this body ??
just a few thoughts
mike
Re: 1936 2 door phaeton - 02/01/12 04:31 AM
Re: 1936 2 door phaeton - 02/01/12 01:53 PM
Brewster:
That is the car I mentioned above that has external hinges and two side-mounts that is in a museum. It went through a Kruse auction in 2005. Don't know its history yet.
John
That is the car I mentioned above that has external hinges and two side-mounts that is in a museum. It went through a Kruse auction in 2005. Don't know its history yet.
John
Re: 1936 2 door phaeton - 02/01/12 02:55 PM
I believe the red one you mentioned is in the Harold Lemay collection, based in Tacoma, Washington.
http://www.pbase.com/phred426/image/20900378
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Re: 1936 2 door phaeton - 02/01/12 03:54 PM
Thanks for the link.
Re: 1936 2 door phaeton - 02/05/12 11:30 AM
Mike, or anybody.....is there a source for these top of door Chrome Ferruls for the Phaetons? I am working on a 33 Master Phaeton that is missing all of them. Are they the same from 32-25? Thanks.
Jeff
Jeff
Re: 1936 2 door phaeton - 02/05/12 01:37 PM
Originally Posted by jaw33
Mike, or anybody.....is there a source for these top of door Chrome Ferruls for the Phaetons? I am working on a 33 Master Phaeton that is missing all of them. Are they the same from 32-25? Thanks.
Jeff
Jeff
Jeff There is a few people on this chat who know more about this stuff than i do.......JAY IN ARIZONA, BRUCE DEFORD AND SAVE SYLVAIN . I will not post their email addresses on here as i do not have permission. Lets hope they see this thread or repost your question over on the 1934-35 roadster thread.
The people that made the repo all steel 32 roadster a while ago........try them...BOWTIE REPRODUCTIONS www.bowtiereproductions.com 1-440-327-4800 LEAVE MESSAGE THEY WILL CALL YOU BACK .
I just looked thru their printed catalogue but i cannot say if they do or do not , because i do not know the EXACT word terminology of the part. Failing that you could have them machined on a lathe out of aluminum pipe. One of the people mentioned above said to me , the ferrul are supposed to be painted not chromed...believe it was JAY.
mike
Re: 1936 2 door phaeton - 02/05/12 04:18 PM
Actually, the company that made the all steel 1932 roadster body was "Experi-Metal Inc."
