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Posted By: chef-chevy Dead Starter - 06/30/13 02:24 PM

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I was at a meet 40 miles from home,there was 1.5 miles of cars and I had a good time..Went to leave,pushed on the floor button and NOTHING?Checked the battery and all seemed to be good...Ran a screw driver from the battery switch to body and had spark...Wacked the starter a couple of times and still no go...After the masive exodus of about 800 cars I got a couple guys to push me for a compression start.Made it home,carefully,90 deg.in seattle and moving 20 MPH on the lake washinton bridge...Great view but the thermostat was climbing and if the Aero died on the bridge,I would cause a 5 mile long traffic jam ...Theres my adventure

A re-built starter and new switch was install about 6 months ago?? wazzup
Posted By: Chipper Re: Dead Starter - 06/30/13 07:19 PM
First thing I would check is the positive cable and battery terminal. That is far more common to have corrosion and therefore high resistance connection than dead starter. Next would be starter switch/solenoid. Starters typically just begin to lose power, run slower rather than just plain quit.
Posted By: chef-chevy Re: Dead Starter - 06/30/13 08:10 PM
Thanks Chipper,the battery is also very new and I checked the conection and they are clean..I still have the old starter and switch,the car did start fairly well before I changed it out, was (real old) FYI when I try to start the car there is "O"!! movement,noise etc.The current is not getting from the switch to the stater??I will try the old switch 1st
Posted By: chef-chevy Re: Dead Starter - 06/30/13 08:57 PM
Changed the starter switch with no luck...Its almost like the starter is frozen?When I press the starter button it pulls alot of juice but nothing happens..I had the door open and dome light on and it basicly turned off while pressing the starter
Posted By: Junkyard Dog Re: Dead Starter - 06/30/13 10:16 PM
Install the old starter and see if you still have the same problem.

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Posted By: kevin47 Re: Dead Starter - 06/30/13 10:18 PM
Originally Posted by chef-chevy
...Great view but the thermostat was climbing and if the Aero died on the bridge,I would cause a 5 mile long traffic jam ...Theres my adventure

A re-built starter and new switch was install about 6 months ago??
Bum starter...Not to worry...You would have had plenty of help to push... laugh 90 degrees @ 20 MPH, your bound to get hot...Lucky you weren't going uphill...
Posted By: Chipper Re: Dead Starter - 07/01/13 12:17 AM
Symptoms are leading more and more to bad starter. Guess the rebuilder didn't do a good job. As the puppy wrote put the old starter back on and see if that gets it starting again.
Posted By: chef-chevy Re: Dead Starter - 07/01/13 01:32 AM
The old starter goes back on ASAP

Has anyone out there had a simular problem" a stater that has plenty of juice but is frozen soild"??It does not turn at all

Posted By: Junkyard Dog Re: Dead Starter - 07/01/13 01:44 AM
When you remove the existing starter, hook it directly to a battery on the floor of the shop and see if it works then.

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Posted By: chef-chevy Re: Dead Starter - 07/01/13 03:31 AM
Thanks JYD thats the info I needed
Posted By: chef-chevy Re: Dead Starter - 07/01/13 05:40 PM
I pulled the rebuilt starter and sure enough,its frozen solid???
Need to clean up the old one a bit before installing,its a 39 and worked well for many years.too bad the newly re-build one "I beleive its a 48 with out a reversing switch"failed so badly
Posted By: Chipper Re: Dead Starter - 07/01/13 06:50 PM
Did one of the bushings lock on the shaft or a brush come loose and jam against the armature? Those are my first thoughts.
Posted By: chef-chevy Re: Dead Starter - 07/01/13 08:47 PM
No the brushes are all in place and in good shape..The rear gear to flywheel turns but nothing else move at all
Posted By: m006840 Re: Dead Starter - 07/01/13 09:43 PM
I had a starter that was "rebuilt" and acted the same way-would not turn at all. After inspection by a qualified shop it was found to be completely rebuilt, but one thrust washer was missing causing it to lock up.
Posted By: chef-chevy Re: Dead Starter - 07/02/13 01:46 AM
I must guess I have something of the same issue.Too bad I have had it for a year or so and never installed it until resently.No waranty on this one
Posted By: Junkyard Dog Re: Dead Starter - 07/02/13 01:57 AM
Your armature could be dragging on a pole shoe also.

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Posted By: chef-chevy Re: Dead Starter - 07/02/13 01:47 PM
When I get the old starter back on I will tear apart the re-built one,I'm sure the problem will be ovious?
P.S.for you filling station lovers...The re-built starter came fron Chevs of the 40's..This will be the second time I received a faulty part for them,I got a fuel pump with a leaky interior gasket,when I took it apart I found a deformed gasket...I need to start putting my parts on when I get them not years later!!! stupid
Posted By: Junkyard Dog Re: Dead Starter - 07/02/13 02:00 PM
.....or rebuild the parts yourself.

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Posted By: m006840 Re: Dead Starter - 07/02/13 04:12 PM
Before you tear it apart I would suggest you bench test it first.
Posted By: chef-chevy Re: Dead Starter - 07/03/13 06:56 PM
Ok guys its not the starter...Its got to be electrical?With a different starter turned the key,press the floor button and still nothing?It does suck the juice though, turns the dome light off,should that happen
More thoughts please,help
The starter should turn also without the key on correct?should i disconect the wire from the ammeter,maybe there could be a short some where there...The cig lighter is connected to the same terminal and the lighter does heat
Posted By: m006840 Re: Dead Starter - 07/03/13 07:34 PM
I would still bench test the starter before installing. One post says the starter is frozen solid and your last post says its not the starter. If the starter spins on the bench then I would check the wiring and also turn the engine over by hand to be sure there is not a mechanical lock of some type.
Posted By: chef-chevy Re: Dead Starter - 07/03/13 07:45 PM
Well I'm charging a different battery to totally elimate the battery possiblity,we will see
Posted By: chef-chevy Re: Dead Starter - 07/03/13 08:28 PM
Steve6 the engine turns and runs fine ..I've got power to the starter switch but maybe not enough,we will see
Posted By: 41specialdeluxe Re: Dead Starter - 07/03/13 10:15 PM
CC,

Did you check the switch on top of the starter? Sometimes we assume the worst.

Charlie computer
Posted By: Junkyard Dog Re: Dead Starter - 07/03/13 10:21 PM
Quote
.The current is not getting from the switch to the stater??I will try the old switch 1st......

Changed the starter switch with no luck...

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Posted By: chef-chevy Re: Dead Starter - 07/03/13 11:14 PM
So for a quick recap-the 48 aero would not start,compession started it and drove 40 miles home--put a previously working starter on--there is current to the starter switch--tried 2 different switches--when I press the starter pedal it does not turn the starter and dims to almost turns off the dome light---
I am charging another battery will try that soon...
You would think this would be a simple fix???
Posted By: 41specialdeluxe Re: Dead Starter - 07/03/13 11:43 PM
JD,

Thanks. Although I scanned the posts, rather hurriedly, I'll admit, I missed that. Mercy!

Charlie computer
Posted By: Junkyard Dog Re: Dead Starter - 07/04/13 12:28 AM
Charlie.....ya just gotta pay better attention to what is going on in the world around you.

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Posted By: m006840 Re: Dead Starter - 07/04/13 05:36 PM
Let us know what you find after charging the battery. If it's more than five years old it's probably best to replace it. You might also want to check the generator charging rate and check for any shorts as after driving 40 miles it should have charged your battery. Might save a repeat performance.
Posted By: chef-chevy Re: Dead Starter - 07/04/13 07:19 PM
Well Steve it came all down to the battery!The one I was running at the time was a maintainence free unit"go figure"less then 6 months old,it would not take a charge"whoops"My back up would'nt either"my luck hah"Went and bought another one and sure enough fired right up,even with the 39 starter...I knew it had to be an easy fix!Why I went after the starter right off,don't know,I guess because the battery was so dead it was just silent....Well your right about a reveiw of the generator,I have jumped the voltage regulator for reverse polarity,the ammeter shows charging,I took a 10 mile spin on the freeway and I still have a 6.3 reading on the battery...I have got maintainence free battery on the trickle charger and its taking juice and plan on carrying a spare from now on,thanks for thoughts
Posted By: kevin47 Re: Dead Starter - 07/04/13 07:41 PM
Originally Posted by Junkyard Dog
Charlie.....ya just gotta pay better attention to what is going on in the world around you.
Really, Charlie computer ...Get all them old newspapers off the front porch, and turn on the T.V. once in awhile...By the way, it's the Forth of July...! Have a good one...!
Posted By: m006840 Re: Dead Starter - 07/04/13 08:13 PM
Glad you have it solved! With a six month old battery you would not expect it to be the culprit. Now you can enjoy the rest of the "Independence Day" holiday- Have a great one!
Posted By: kevin47 Re: Dead Starter - 07/04/13 09:26 PM
Noticed you mentioned "maintenance free"...But, along with all the different colored caps and all ( back when )...Did you ever look inside to make sure it had water..? Had me wondering if they shipped it dry...Just curious...
Posted By: chef-chevy Re: Dead Starter - 07/04/13 10:16 PM
Good one Kevin--
Posted By: kevin47 Re: Dead Starter - 07/04/13 11:21 PM
( ? ) So, it wasn't "maintenace free" after all...Or did they ship it "This Side Up"...? I always thought maintenace free had caps that were tough to remove...

I four-wheel ( in my truck ) a lot, and I've found that's just never the case...The water will find a way out...
Posted By: 41specialdeluxe Re: Dead Starter - 07/07/13 03:55 AM
CC,

I can't believe you took us through all this mind maze and all that starter stuff, when the problem was a dead battery! Mercy. (Just messin with you) Agrin

I was all ready to send you a new starter (with reverse polarity stuff already installed) but now I find out it wasn't the starter after all. (I was away at the car show and flee market in Asheville, NC for the weekend. Just got home a couple hours ago.)

Why do we always assume the worst and figure it is something complicated and then find out later that it was something very simple all the time? I do that often myself.

Get an Interstate battery and new cables from Tractor supply. It will then spin like it has a 12 volt hooked up to it.

Glad that you figured it out.

Best,
Charlie computer

Posted By: 47Aero Re: Dead Starter - 07/07/13 02:19 PM
Good to see you worked that one out! Batteries ain't what they used to be - I still remember getting 6 or 7 years out of a battery-not so these days!
I have permanently installed cheap digital voltmeters across the batteries of my cars and these have saved many "dead battery or something else" guesses over the years. They are about the size of a matchbox, cost about 2 bucks each, (Ebay) and can be mounted with double-sided tape on the side of the battery. You can check your generator or alternator output voltage in a flash too.
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