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LED bulbs #378239
11/06/16 02:45 PM
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With LED bulbs & complete tail light assemblies with LED bulbs available now, how will they be viewed when judging? Will the be considered a "safety item" as seat belts with no point deduction or???

dick

Re: LED bulbs [Re: XLVIIdriver] #378331
11/08/16 04:02 AM
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please Anybody out there want to give their opinion? Apparently no one from judging committee wants to comment on the question of LED tail lights when being judged.

dick

Re: LED bulbs [Re: XLVIIdriver] #378342
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It might be best to send an Email to the judging chairman as not all view the Chat Site daily.


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Re: LED bulbs [Re: m006840] #378343
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I can't speak for the judging committee, but I know LED's were not standard equipment on these cars. Just like radial tires there may be a deduction for authenticity during class judging. The CDPC class *may* allow them, but someone else can chime in with more clarification.

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Re: LED bulbs [Re: Daryl Scott] #378426
11/10/16 12:01 AM
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Deductions for seat belts ..... yes or no ?


1951 Chevy Styleline Deluxe 2 door sedan. Purchased in 2000.
1951 Chevy Styleline Deluxe Sport Coupe. Purchased in 2014.
1969 Chevy Corvair 500 Coupe. Purchased in 2017.

Re: LED bulbs [Re: bobg1951chevy] #378427
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Seat belts-no points deducted .


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Re: LED bulbs [Re: bobg1951chevy] #378449
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From the judging manual:

Seat Belts (1966 to Present Mandatory)
No point deduction is made for use of seat belts in pre-1966
vehicles. Front and rear seat belts, one per seating position,
became standard on all 1966 and up models, and they should
be the appropriate type for that vintage of vehicle. Shoulder
harnesses, secured to the B-pillar or roof, were included as
standard equipment in 1968. Inertia-style seat belts, which
are connected with lap and shoulder belts as one unit, were
standard in 1974 and up vehicles. Inertia style seat belts that
are connected with lap and shoulder belts as one unit were
standard in 1974 and up. The condition of the seat belts is
still a judging item for any model year of vehicle. They
should be in good operational condition. Frayed or worn
belts should receive some point deduction, which is left up to
the discretion of the judge.

Re: LED bulbs [Re: Daryl Scott] #378455
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How would this apply to a 1956 or newer model that had seat belts available as a genuine Chevrolet accessory. Would points be deducted if non-genuine belts were installed?
Also a form of shoulder harness belts was available in 1956 and 1957.


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Re: LED bulbs [Re: Chev Nut] #378462
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Would be nice if some one from the judging committee would chim in on questions like this.


Chevgene
Re: LED bulbs [Re: Chev Nut] #378478
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Today: I have sent a copy of my orig post via e-mail to a committee member

Re: LED bulbs [Re: XLVIIdriver] #378674
11/15/16 12:02 AM
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LED bulbs would be a deduction on any "Judged" vehicle at this point. In HPOCF this would cause the portion of the exterior to not certify but would not necessarily disqualify the exterior from totally being non-certified. LEDs are accepted in the CDPC class as long as the lenses look correct for the year of manufacture.

Daryl is correct, there are no deductions for seatbelts in pre-1966 cars. 1966 and newer vehicles must have the correct belts from the manufacturer or deductions would be taken on Judged vehicles. HPOCF certification for a portion of the interior might be lost if incorrect belts are in the original car. CDPC certification is not affected by seat belts.


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Re: LED bulbs [Re: Chev Nut] #378693
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Gene, if I am not mistaken, seat belts were optional going back to 1948? or '49? I have never seen original seat belts on anything older than '64s but I am sure there are some out there. Obviously, if they are on the car it would be a historic treat to see them. I would like to see the documentation of the shoulder harness. I have never seen that as an option provided by GM in '56. Non of my literature has that. If you have some please share. That would be new information for me. There are companies who reproduce the seat belts for older cars and if the owner wants to put them in that's great. Still, no deductions would occur in that '56 or '57. If the shoulder harnesses were on the car the team judge would ask their team captain to contact the seller for documentation BEFORE they deduct points! [u][/u] chevy


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Re: LED bulbs [Re: novasscott] #378698
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Originally Posted By: novasscott
LED bulbs would be a deduction on any "Judged" vehicle at this point.


Question answered. Thanks

Dick

Re: LED bulbs [Re: XLVIIdriver] #403423
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In my opinion, there are 2 avenues. First, let’s understand that any light assembly is a subsystem. It consists of:
1 the bulb
2. The lens
3 the base.

A. To be vintage related, I feel that only the bulb must be an led, or any forward technology
B. To be resto-mod, the components of the subsystem are changed, usually including the base Assy.
I feel we should urge suppliers to replicate the base, and “Judging” is our best leverage,
C, is the customs, that are radical changed already

My 2£, any replies welcome.


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