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Just thought of maybe some interest in the 2018 Market!

Barrett Jackson Arizona 2018 Auction

1932 CHEVROLET CONFEDERATE DELUXE CONVERTIBLE Sold $40,000

Plus buyer had to pay Auction Fees estimated 10% $4,000 plus you need to add 1 week hotel, food, transportation and transport shipping. You need to add another 6k -8k!

Just an estimate under final 50k total!

Lot #532.1 - This Cabriolet has had a complete body-off restoration and restored to exact standards. It has won many awards including the AACA Senior Award and Vintage Chevrolet Club Senior Award with badges. Loaded with accessories, this vehicle has dual side mounts, dual side mount mirrors, trunk rack with trunk, dual exterior horns, dual tail lights, freewheeling and rumble seat. It drives very well and powered by a 206ci 6-cylinder engine and 3-speed manual transmission. Very low production with just 1,118 cabriolets built in the Deluxe Series. Has 50,188 original miles.

Rory

If the 1932 cabriolet had a 206 cubic inch engine then it had the wrong engine.

Was this car a fawn brown and coffee cream with orange wheels? If so, I had a few friends call me and tell me the car was the same colors as mine but the orange wheels were super bright like hunter orange. The swamp Holley orange actually has a slight reddish tone to it. Everyone told me the car sold fo $30k not $40k but I don’t know because I didn’t see the auction.

Almost all the high dollar cars I see on Ebay or auctions are lacking in correct features. Most look really nice but things like wrong carbs, engine color, wrong plating etc really detract from what I consider a fair price. It's puzzling why someone would invest as much money as they have stated and have no idea of what they are getting other than it looks really nice.

This the one ?? Lot #532.1 1932 CHEVROLET CONFEDERATE DELUXE CONVERTIBLE

Yep, that looks like the one. The car probably would have been worth the selling price if it was totally authentic and of show quality. Several things on the car are incorrect and other items are not up to show quality which would normally discount the overall value.

Chistech and Bearsfan315 yes that was the car sold recently!

For sold pricing you either have to either sign up on the Barrett’s Jacksons internet site to view the Auctions sale price or what I had done most of these cars were posted on Hemmings Online as I had saved them on my favorites account and then viewed the sale price when the sale had gone thru!

The sale price and ad only stays active for a short time within about a day then they are taken down on Hemming's Online!

Just for the record all of these cars sales prices will be available to the open public in about a couple of months like all previous Auctions in other years!

Rory

One of our local AACA Members is out there at that auction, will have to ask him if he looked at or saw this car in person.

I would GUESS the "206" engine description was made in error.

It is hard to read the block casting number in the one photo but it appears to be a 1932 engine.

That 32 did sell for 40K, I watched it go on TV. It could have had some incorrect parts and still obtained all of the AACA awards. AACA judges aren't experts of every model car, they (we) judge based on being correct for the period. We don't check numbers, some of us can recognize incorrect components but not many. BJ always seems to sell cars for over market but who knows someone bought it for that and that was a low end sale for that auction.

I saw the claim of a 206 engine also. I agree JD, not the original engine, so the VIN # isn't correct either.

I caution people not to draw too many conclusions from owners descriptions. Many are not accurately informed about the authenticity of their vehicles parts. The differences in the appearance of the 194 and 206 engines are not that different to the unschooled so unintended misrepresentation is fairly common. Personal inspection by well informed people and/or checking the "numbers" is necessary. Searching the internet often results in identification with the first thing that is found.

Interesting discussion.

I just got back to Iowa yesterday from a week in Scottsdale. This year I spent almost 8 hours on Friday at the Russo & Steele auction. A couple of years ago I spent a day at Barret Jackson. This year I also watched a lot of Barret Jackson streaming online. Quite an interesting contrast in operations, vehicle value, and selling rate. And these are just 2 of the 5 auctions going on in the same time period.

The common point is that this is very much a buyer beware scenario. I agree that there is a lot of misleading and erroneous information about the cars especially at these high visibility auctions. Perhaps the most abused or flexibly applied words are "full restoration" and "original".

And I agree with the economic assessment. A few sellers that I talked to agreed that just putting a car on the docket and getting it and them there easily costs $3,000 to $5,000 even before they pay the seller fees.

Another way to think of it is to consider the '32 Confederate. The buyer paid $44k. The seller's net was about $32k.

Note that there are two of those models for sale in the Feb. G&D and for much less money. One even has overdrive.

Update... '32 Cabriolet sells at B-J for $44k. We discuss how that's the high end of the market. Two weeks later, same cabrio shows up on Hemmings at $60k. Anyone willing to bite?

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/chevrolet/confederate/2069512.html

And it still list the 206 engine!!

Until someone actually documents the casting numbers and dates the description of the engine is problematical. The majority of people would not know a 194 cu. in. engine from a 206 cu. in. engine.

I'm thinking when my 32' Olds DCR is done, based on this, it should only go up in value. I do love my Chevys but a 32' Olds DCR is a much more prettier car than the Chevy cab and I think the cabs are great looking. The extra length, the golf bag door, and all the extra chrome just give it the little bit more. The wood wheels done in varnish add to that look too. I guess I sound a little prejudice don't I?

Yes you do. : )

Are there factory records on deluxe vs. standard? I was thinking the side mounts and other deluxe features were dealer installed.

Dave

An ad I have dated July 23 1932 in the Saturday Evening Post states that "six wire wheels and fender wells on all models at $15.00 additional". It is a factory ad so I think it was an option. I believe the early deluxe models had them as standard and possibly later became an option for pricing reasons.

If you’re talking about the Olds, the cars were ordered as standard, rear mounted spare, or deluxe, dual side mounted from the factory and were not a normal dealer added item. Buyers chose between wire or wood wheels but the varnished wheels where an up charge. The deluxe over standard was the $15 option but type of wheel was simply a no additional charge as long as it was painted. The rarest F32 roadster was the wood wheeled standard model which presently, none are know. Next is the wire standard, again, none are known. Next is the deluxe wood (my car), 249 built, 3 known. Last is wire deluxe, 333 built, 5 known, another street rodded. A total of 733 F32 6cyl roadsters were made. About 3, 8cyl roadsters known. I’ve done a tremendous amount of research and it’s very difficult to find on the web. Most has come from people with original factory documents and untouched original cars. And there is only two of those known from 32. Production was a GM all time low of 19,xxx cars, GMs worst production model yet Olds was also GMs test bed for innovation. In most cases, many high end options and mechanical improvements on the Caddy’s, LaSalles, Buick’s, etc., were first on Olds models a few years before being available on those brands, GM would often put them on Olds, prove the part. Pull it the next year, then offer it the next year or two under a new name on a different brand car. It seems that GM figured that because the Olds division was so small, if something failed, it really wouldn’t hurt GM, and was much safer than releasing something new that might fail on a Caddy or Buick.

Interesting. So when the advertiser of the nice subject car says its one of 1100 or so Deluxe made, there maybe factory records to back it up? I have not seen it broken down like that but it does seem like something the factory or Chevrolet would keep track of.

Thanks

Dave

Saying about the same thing from Bill's 31 site;


Note: Technically, there were no factory options in 1931 or 1932! All accessories were installed by the dealer only, not the factory. Yes, such things as cowl lights and sidemounts came as standard equipment on the deluxe models, however these items would be considered as accessories on the standard models and these items would have been also installed by the dealer.

Just thought that you should know my friend, and I hope that the above information helps you some.

Skippy (Geear) 7/22/00

So considering this I guess there really can't be any accurate records on how many of these cars and options were delivered to the first customer, new.

I see where his number of 1,118 may have been pulled from. In Ken Kaufman's and David Hayward's compilation of production figures it lists 1,118 , 1932 Roadsters.

Could be a coincidence but more likely an error in the cars description.

Dave

Plus here is another 1932 Chevy Confederate Roadster listed on Hemming Online for the last 6 years with Search Ad #1382587
Price: $34,900
Location: Webster, MA
Offered By: Classic Motor Car Company
Listed Mar 20, 2012
Transmission: Manual
Condition: Excellent
Exterior: Yellow
Interior: Tan Leather

Seller’s Description:
1932 Chevy Confederate Roadster. ALL STEEL with rumble seat. Fully restored 10 years ago. Updated in 2012 - Painted original steel fenders, brakes and exhaust. Tan top. Original 6 cylinder engine and manual trans. Drive or show.
Price: $34,900

So tell me what’s with the MARKET of what seems like a fair price???

Rory
1934 Chevrolet Standard Holden Body Roadster
1933 Ford 3 Window Coupe
1934 Ford 4 Door Sedan rolling frame under construction
1933 Ford 4 Door Phaeton

Actually that number of 1,118 roadsters is correct for 1932 production but it includes the F32 (6 cylinders) and the L32 (8 cylinders) together. With 744(I mistakenly said 733 earlier) of that total being 6 cylinder F32s and 374 being L32 8 cylinder cars. You can see the 8’s are a pretty rare car no matter what model roadster they were. Olds only built (all models)13,910 F32s and 5,329 L32s for a total of 19,239.

Sorry, messed this post up. See my next post.

There was a full booklet of factory, dealer applied options, but wheels and deluxe/standard models were not dealer made. There were options and option packages that would be installed by the dealer. Those included electric clock, spotlight, radiator stone guard, metal tire covers, tire/hinge mirrors, trunks, luggage, draft deflectors, visors, snap spokes, hub guards, and chrome hood doors. There were 6 option groups offered with 1-3 for 5 wheeled cars and 4-6 for 6 wheeled cars. Some items like the snap spokes and hub guards were not offered in the option groups, only as separate options. There is currently three of us researching the fact that there is no optionshowed for wheels. This seems to support wheel choices were made at the time the car was ordered and the fee for varnished wood, mentioned in dealer literature, would have been added to the initial cost of the car at the time of ordering. Oldsmobile was not like Chevy when it came to options and were twice the cost of a comparable Chevy model. Oldsmobile also had matching numbers on the frame, motor, and sill plate. Again, different from the Chevy and from many others it seems.

Ted, I may be misunderstanding your reply but the 1,118 number came from Chevrolet production figures for Roadsters. I will try and post the link below

http://home.znet.com/c1937/Prod.htm

Dave

Sorry Dave, I thought you were talking about total Olds roadsters. I have one page missing from my production figures for 32’ Olds and that one page has only the 8 cylinder roadster production on it. When I saw your post, I assumed you guys were talking about the Olds as the 11xx number for total is about right. I realize the car that was originally posted is a cabriolet and I know you guys know that so when I read your posts about roadsters, i thought you were responding to my post. No big deal, just a lot of typing for nothing! LOL

NOTE: found the total 8 cylinder Olds roadster production numbers and I wasn’t far off. It’s 394, not 374.

Ted,
They had me confused as well. With the car sold at Barrett Jackson being a '32 Cabriolet and then writing about Roadster numbers

Sorry for the confusion but I was trying to figure out where the car in questions description writer came up with the number of 1,118 Deluxe Convertibles. The same number is listed as the number of 1932 Roadsters produced. Clearly an error on the description writers part.

No more light where there is no darkness from me on this one.

Dave

Dave,I hope you’re not thinking I’m laughing at you or your posts. I’m laughing at how creative Chipper got with the imojis.

No worries or offense taken here. My questions confuse me at times...

Ted, I appreciated the support for my attempt at levity. Life is too serious to not have a bit of fun occasionally. As long as it was meant in good spirit and also received that way as well. No doggie that doesn't mean to heist one so early in the AM, even though its mid-night in Korea (thanks to Olympic coverage).

Dave the way i read it...Is that 1,118 cabriolets were built for 32 not roadster.I am in Ontario and i have three friends plus myself that have chevrolet deluxe roadsters,and the only differences that i see are the luggage wracks are different configuration and the id plate is on the firewall.do you have any idea how many deluxe roadsters were built for 1932 wayne lave@cogeco.ca thanks