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With LED bulbs & complete tail light assemblies with LED bulbs available now, how will they be viewed when judging? Will the be considered a "safety item" as seat belts with no point deduction or???

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please Anybody out there want to give their opinion? Apparently no one from judging committee wants to comment on the question of LED tail lights when being judged.

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It might be best to send an Email to the judging chairman as not all view the Chat Site daily.


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I can't speak for the judging committee, but I know LED's were not standard equipment on these cars. Just like radial tires there may be a deduction for authenticity during class judging. The CDPC class *may* allow them, but someone else can chime in with more clarification.

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Deductions for seat belts ..... yes or no ?



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Seat belts-no points deducted .


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From the judging manual:

Seat Belts (1966 to Present Mandatory)
No point deduction is made for use of seat belts in pre-1966
vehicles. Front and rear seat belts, one per seating position,
became standard on all 1966 and up models, and they should
be the appropriate type for that vintage of vehicle. Shoulder
harnesses, secured to the B-pillar or roof, were included as
standard equipment in 1968. Inertia-style seat belts, which
are connected with lap and shoulder belts as one unit, were
standard in 1974 and up vehicles. Inertia style seat belts that
are connected with lap and shoulder belts as one unit were
standard in 1974 and up. The condition of the seat belts is
still a judging item for any model year of vehicle. They
should be in good operational condition. Frayed or worn
belts should receive some point deduction, which is left up to
the discretion of the judge.


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How would this apply to a 1956 or newer model that had seat belts available as a genuine Chevrolet accessory. Would points be deducted if non-genuine belts were installed?
Also a form of shoulder harness belts was available in 1956 and 1957.


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Would be nice if some one from the judging committee would chim in on questions like this.


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Today: I have sent a copy of my orig post via e-mail to a committee member

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LED bulbs would be a deduction on any "Judged" vehicle at this point. In HPOCF this would cause the portion of the exterior to not certify but would not necessarily disqualify the exterior from totally being non-certified. LEDs are accepted in the CDPC class as long as the lenses look correct for the year of manufacture.

Daryl is correct, there are no deductions for seatbelts in pre-1966 cars. 1966 and newer vehicles must have the correct belts from the manufacturer or deductions would be taken on Judged vehicles. HPOCF certification for a portion of the interior might be lost if incorrect belts are in the original car. CDPC certification is not affected by seat belts.


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Gene, if I am not mistaken, seat belts were optional going back to 1948? or '49? I have never seen original seat belts on anything older than '64s but I am sure there are some out there. Obviously, if they are on the car it would be a historic treat to see them. I would like to see the documentation of the shoulder harness. I have never seen that as an option provided by GM in '56. Non of my literature has that. If you have some please share. That would be new information for me. There are companies who reproduce the seat belts for older cars and if the owner wants to put them in that's great. Still, no deductions would occur in that '56 or '57. If the shoulder harnesses were on the car the team judge would ask their team captain to contact the seller for documentation BEFORE they deduct points! [u][/u] chevy


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Originally Posted by novasscott
LED bulbs would be a deduction on any "Judged" vehicle at this point.

Question answered. Thanks

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In my opinion, there are 2 avenues. First, let’s understand that any light assembly is a subsystem. It consists of:
1 the bulb
2. The lens
3 the base.

A. To be vintage related, I feel that only the bulb must be an led, or any forward technology
B. To be resto-mod, the components of the subsystem are changed, usually including the base Assy.
I feel we should urge suppliers to replicate the base, and “Judging” is our best leverage,
C, is the customs, that are radical changed already

My 2£, any replies welcome.

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Originally Posted by JerryL
In my opinion, there are 2 avenues. First, let’s understand that any light assembly is a subsystem. It consists of:
1 the bulb
2. The lens
3 the base.

A. To be vintage related, I feel that only the bulb must be an led, or any forward technology
B. To be resto-mod, the components of the subsystem are changed, usually including the base Assy.
I feel we should urge suppliers to replicate the base, and “Judging” is our best leverage,
C, is the customs, that are radical changed already

My 2£, any replies welcome.

There are L.E.D. taillight inserts for early 30's taillights that are not L.E.D. bulbs but light panels.
Now in my opinion these fall into the realm of safety and I can't understand why they are not allowed.
I would hope that the Judging Committee is already looking into this. I will check and see.

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Safety?

Let's see. Some things can be considered for safety sake, and as I understand it there are several items now approved.

I think there are so many things that can be changed under the unberalla of "safety" that pretty soon the car would remind us ot the OSHA cowboy.

As to the LED lights, in my opinion there should be points taken off. What sort of safety would LED lights provide that vintage lights don't? Brighter? Okay, but can people see the old lights? Yes, they can. Can they see them far enough away that don't run into the back of you. Well, I have driven my old 41 coupe enough that the answer is yes they can. No need of no stinkin LED tail light.

We don't require seat belts in a vintage car that didn't come with them and that is more of a safety item than the LED light would ever be.

Pretty soon, for argument of safety, we will be doing the following:

a. Changing out the mechanical brakes.

b. Changing out the Huck brakes; owing mostly to stinkin stickin wheel cylinder pistons. You must exercise the Huck brakes every week or so or the pistons will stick.

c. Change out the bulb type headlights. For sealed beams. Change out the seal beams for halogen etc.

d. Change to tubeless tires or to Diamond Backs. Better steering.

And the beat goes on. You get the picture.

As to seat belts, who is going to put them on if the judge looks at them and sees they have been used and the color is faded. Points off!

Why do we have to cut corners in the name of safety? If the stinkin car can't be driven or hauled to the meet and be judged leave it at home and bring your I-phone instead. (we don't want that)

My two cents worth.Agrin:

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I am hesitant to write that I agree with Charlie. But, in this case I do. The safety argument is indeed a "slippery slope". I have been involved with VCCA judging for over 40 years. That includes being on the Judging Committee for many of those until I was unceremoniously removed. I didn't toe the line and agree with the powers that be. My opinion is that only safety equipment required by a governmental entity be allowed without possible point deduction. Deviation from as original manufacture is not preserving history but altering it! There is already plenty of that in today's society!!!

That is not to say that safety is not important. It definitely is. If the owner wants to put any modification on his Chevrolet or GMC it is his right. If it is removed for Judging then it is a non-issue. If you take the extra step to install something then take another step to remove it for Judging. Put it back on when leaving the field.


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I am not into judging (especially in the US) so I may well be out of line but if the item is required by law (seatbelts in all vehicles built after Jan 1965 here in Aus and turn indicators for example) points should not be deducted. I dont think converting to disc brakes (while a debatable improvement) to be required by law should be overlooked for judging.
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A state or federal or club safety requirement should not be used as a reason for taking off points.

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