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A recruiting effort initiated in 2015 has once again brought an impressive number of lawmakers into the State Automotive Enthusiast Leadership Caucus. With 151 new members signing up so far this year, the group now numbers more than 700 members representing all 50 states. Founded in 2005 and supported by the SEMA Action Network (SAN), the caucus is designed as a non-partisan group of state legislators whose common thread is a love and appreciation for automobiles. To follow is the complete list of those who have joined this year. (Read More)
Solan G, # 32797
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Enough already! I think we get your position by now.
Please school you feelings about ethanol. It is what it is. It is an additive to gasoline that helps users in avoiding even heavier dependance on imported oil. There may be some drawbacks to ethanol use but it is minor and not near as negative as you and your like-thinking buddies claim.
There are thousands of gallons with 10% ethanol used in the U.S. every day with no harmful effects. Old cars can safely use it too. If allowed to sit in a bowl or a thank or in rubber lines there may be a shorting of life. A very minor consideration and not near enough to warrant the high protest of those who, like you, stand on the soapbox and cry foul. Mercy!
Give us a break. We understand your position and more propaganda will not impact our opinions any more than is has by now.
Good day and I hope you have the best time you can before we get ethanol at 15% mixture.
"Give us a break. We understand your position and more propaganda will not impact our opinions any more than is has by now."
Charlie,
This is America and we get to say what is on our mind. He's not the only one concerned and trying to rally support to ban ethanol. Various motorcycle enthusiast magazines and the American Motorcyclist Association are doing the same thing.
Are you aware that ethanol is a net energy waster? It takes more energy to make it than what it yields when it is burned. That's in addition to the damage it does to some engines and the vapor lock problems it causes.
All members... Solan is posting information from a source that helps support various issues for all vintage car hobbyists. The fuel debate is simply one of the areas that they monitor your government's actions on.
Let's not turn this thread into a personal attack on Solon, as he is merely passing the newsletter on to us. Let's keep in mind that there are many opinions on the fuel issue, and none of them are either right or wrong... they are just opinions. If there is further discussion in this thread, let's keep it to the topic and not make it personal.
Bill has been notified of this thread and is out there touring somewhere this week. Let's not make him take the time to come back here and babysit us!!
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Brewster is right, Solans postings are generally only links to SEMA. They interest me as the Aus Government often follows what the US government does and I dont always agree with either. It is better to have advance info on what is likely to happen. I would not appreciate Bill closing this thread down due to a few misguided comments. Tony
Well, I just returned home and am trying to catch up. (The NW Meet was very good, by the way.)
Yes, I agree that the discussion needs to continue. It may not be what is CURRENTLY being done to the gas that is important, as to what is NEXT. I know that I have replaced rubber in nearly every one of my vintage cars due to this change, so my first-hand experience is that it DID cost me additional time and money.
I'd ask that people don't attack the individuals who post in this thread. And I'd ask that people who post, try to post well-documented facts and not wild claims or fear-mongering. We all are affected by this "shift" in our products.
It is entirely possible that ALL cars will be electric or hydrogen powered within the next 25 years and then this topic will be irrelevant. Think about that. If that's even remotely true, then why aren't we talking about that instead of the last declining days of gasoline as our primary power source.
It seems to me that our VINTAGE cars are rapidily being ANTIQUES faster than we recognize.
Keep the comments on track, on topic. Otherwise... well, you know the rest.
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Good points about the personal stuff. I don't know who the culprit is but he ought to be taken out and shot. How dare he.
I praise Solon for his posts. They give me something to ponder and take into account for the old car hoppy in general. Keep up the good work Solon. Where would be be without you?
News from SEMA. They follow up what many in US should be aware of are happening in the politics as to threats against our vehicle hobby. Why not support them by joining?
And the ethanol is just as bad for elderly and old vehicles (and even new engines) as before, what ever my opponents here are telling us. You will regret the day you only can drive on E 15 in a car not built for that gas blend. And if you were so sure about your arguments pro ethanol you would not be so annoyed and occupied with asking me to stop my postings. Repeating my message makes some more people here think about their own cars future lives linked to E 10-15.
Remarkably I am not against ethanol itself, but against the system of not having a choice to avoid using the ethanol blend when many arguments and even proofs tell us that liquid in gas most likely can damage our old vehicles and make our driving unsafe. Understood?
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and the next Collector Car Appreciation Day is going to be celebrated on July 8, 2016 Start planning now.
“With the 2015 celebration now behind us, car enthusiasts and related businesses can begin planning open houses, car cruises, club gatherings and educational events to mark the 2016 commemoration” said SEMA Vice President of Government Affairs Steve McDonald. “The passion for the collector car hobby that continues to be demonstrated by SAN members nationwide is most clearly evident in this special day.”
Solan G, # 32797
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What with news of development of self-driving vehicles, some of our members are concerned about future legislation that may be used to mandate such vehicles and restrict our ability to drive our Vintage Chevrolets.
What with news of development of self-driving vehicles, some of our members are concerned about future legislation that may be used to mandate such vehicles and restrict our ability to drive our Vintage Chevrolets.
I feel the entire concept of self driving vehicles is more of a financial issue that we do not realize yet. I personally feel that this is directed to the trucking industry, where trucks on the interstate will be self driving. There is no profit in making the private owned vehicle self driving, however how would UPS and FedEx (just examples) fair? I-95 through most of New Jersey is just one huge complex of distribution centers, I-78 from Allentown to Harrisburg the same. These centers just popped up in the last 8 years. Not that cost would go down on any of this, after all the price of fuel has been cut in half and the cost to send a package is the same.
John
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My question on the self drive vehicles is "who controls them?" and "how easy is it to hack the controls?" considering I have seen a video (may have been staged) where this has happened. Tony
I really hope (and pray) we car entusiasts will be allowed and able to continue driving our oldies for another 20 - 30 years before all transport may be done by automatic running vehicles. In Europe they have started trial distance driving with automatic driven trucks and with some success already. But the big difference for most people will be the coming change from driving/controlling your own car to call for a taxi cab/bus driving without a chauffeur, also transporting other people on the way to your destination.
For me it is a kind of "back to the future". I think I may be driving for another 10 years before new regulations will turn our vehicles into nails or into museum items. When the day comes and I cannot drive as freely as now, it will be little fun left. I hope I am not right for still many years from now but instead predicting a coming scene far too soon.
Anyway, we are close to Christmas time and Santa is on his way, whatever the other kinds of traffic is like around the world. So, 41 Charlie, if you are able to join me in Lake Tahoe next August I like to invite you specially for a friendly beer and bar talk in the main hotel. Hope to meet you there, and all of my other Chevrolet friends as well, of course.
Solan G, # 32797
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There was a driverless car trial conducted in Adelaide South Australia last week. By what I heard it was not a success, on a 100yard course the car hit 3 or 4 stationary objects. Volvo are also down here studying the behaviour of kangaroos in proximity of the road so they build into their crash avoidance system, I wish them luck. Tony
In Tripolis Greece Is since a few months the first buses that actualy drive a 4 kilometer route (2,5 Miles) Its 2 small electric buses that drive completely by-themselves and stop in different places to collect and leave passengers.Shortly they are going to be 6 ,if not already. This is an international first supported from the European community and it is going to last for 4 years. Here is a link to a related report in English,
At our region meeting today one of the members said that the state of Maine does not require ethanol gas and all stations have non-ethanol fuel. Maybe one of our Maine members could verify that statement. Might be worth a trip over the border to fill the old cars before storing for winter as its only 50 miles away.
Steve, For you and others, there is an excellent website which lists locations of all stations selling non ethanol gas. It is www.pure-gas.org
I'm vacationing in CA this week and note there are few places in San Diego which sell it. I just wonder how our San Diego Region members are managing and whether they have found any stations selling pure gas. We'll be relocating here in 2016 and this is a real concern, as I have had to replace fuel pumps and carbs after they were eaten by this lousy fuel.
I do note that most marinas sell the pure stuff as it isn't usable in boat engines either, so that will be my first place to look for it here.
Happy Thanksgiving to all!!
Rick
"Never time to do it right the first time, but always time to do it over."
Steve, For you and others, there is an excellent website which lists locations of all stations selling non ethanol gas. It is www.pure-gas.org
I'm vacationing in CA this week and note there are few places in San Diego which sell it. I just wonder how our San Diego Region members are managing and whether they have found any stations selling pure gas. We'll be relocating here in 2016 and this is a real concern, as I have had to replace fuel pumps and carbs after they were eaten by this lousy fuel.
I do note that most marinas sell the pure stuff as it isn't usable in boat engines either, so that will be my first place to look for it here.
Happy Thanksgiving to all!!
WOW! Leaving the beauty of Vermont for sunny California.
Best of luck and Happy Thanksgiving, Rick.
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The pumps at the smaller air fields in Norway are selling non-ethanol gas, but due to strict regulations I think you have to be a member of the club to get the clean gas ( E 0) for your car.
The marinas here also sell the E 0 for the moment, but as the authorities have urged for adding 5,5% ethanol in all gas, this could change early next year if we do not oppose it. Engine cut at open sea is a very risky and dangerous business.
Sorry, but more and more people are complaining as to the damage due to bio gas and bio diesel in Norway now. Why cannot the deciding politicians and the departments listen to what is happening in the real world?
Hope SEMA continues to influence the US gas market to keep some pumps in each district free from bio liquids.
Solan G, # 32797
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Hi Bob, Thanks and happy Thanksgiving to you and your family as well. Yup, we hope to become San Diegans provided we can sell the house in VT next year.
I just hope we can find the "good gas" over there.
Cheers,
Rick
"Never time to do it right the first time, but always time to do it over."
Solan, I think the message from SEMA is finally getting across here in the U.S. as now many States are passing their own legislation to ban the stuff--the latest being Maine, and there are also grass roots efforts here in Vermont also. There is a national TV campaign afoot now also trying to counter the Ethanol industry's lobbying.
Rick
"Never time to do it right the first time, but always time to do it over."
SEMA seems to grow stronger. Join that organization and you will help to preserve the present motor hobby to last longer into future. SEMA is working for all motor enthusiasts.
Charlie..... How about these race cars are designed to run on the E15 fuel. That's pretty simple to understand. Our vintage Chevys were not designed to run on the Ethanol laced fuel. Therefore the parts and pieces of our vintage vehicles (and other equipment such as lawn mowers, chain saws, etc) don't hold up well to ethanol. Any further explanation would get into the politics of why we are getting ethanol forced upon us, and discussion of politics is a no-no on Chat.
'nuff said......meanwhile, I'll go downtown in Brandon, VT and pay $2.79 per gallon for non-ethanol gas for my '71 Chevelle so it runs well and doesn't get all gummed up.
BTW the non ethanol gas comes down to VT from our Canadian neighbors. Do you have non-ethanol available where you live?
Yes we have a choice of 87 E-10 and 87 without most 91 is E-10 also have E-85. The 87 without is 40 cents more a gallon.
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