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And that is why they have lose the market share that they once had...

Along with the fact that their CEO is not with the program! I mean....what do you want for a salary of only 10 million per year anyway? :confused: :eek:

This all just seems crazy to me!

They can't possibly be so 'stupid' as to just come up with a 'car' and decide to make it, can they?? Or worse yet, just keep making the same old tired krapola??

Isn't there any 'research??' Don't they do anything to try and determine what the people want?? Or look for a niche that might be 'unfilled' in the market??

They must do some of that.... don't they??

Is it all just based on what can they make that will make them the most money?? And then they throw tons of $$$ in advertising at us to convince us 'that' (whatever that is) is what we 'want.' That doesn't seem like a formula for success!!

Good Lord, save us!! Or maybe, Good Lord, save GM!!!

Bill.

"They can't possibly be so 'stupid' as to just come up with a 'car' and decide to make it, can they?? Or worse yet, just keep making the same old tired krapola??"

How about the Metro/Geo? They made zillions of those things, year after year, and that's a throw away car if there ever was one! Seems like the only folks that would buy one of those roller skates were the folks that were way too big to fit into one! :eek: :eek: :eek:

dog,

don't forget that many of those little, throw-away cars were built to be given away at or even below cost to balance the federal cafe standards...meanwhile, gm was raking in $5-8k per 'burb it was allowed to sell...


epi

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Chevrolet: Doesn't matter if those little roller skates were given away for free (that's about what they are worth)...they are throw away cars designed by General Motors! And, those dudes in charge (CEO) still draw down the big bucks to come up with ideas like this. And then, to top it off, they put the "Chevrolet" name on it! :( :(

Also, when these CEO's and their counterparts make bad decisions to the point of possibly bankrupting the company, who suffers? The employees and retirees! No matter what happens to the company, the CEO still gets his big bucks or a big severance package!

dog,

just pointing out that it seems that building the "best" vehicles is neither the only nor top consideration by gm these days...

you're railing against corporate america...hard to see when or if it will change, since there seem to be no limits on the enron's & adelphia's out there...these guys are wiley enough to take care of the shareholders (again, the big guys and institutional blocks - not the moms & pops), right after they take care of themselves...and I don't think washington will intervene, since they are all part of the same club...


epi

There is a lot of truth to that! :( :(

What does is mean on Oldie's post just 3-4 posts back on June 26 at 706am when is says Post Deleted ??

(I understand it means there was a post but now it is no longer there.)

What I mean is did Oldie delete it or did a Moderator delete it or what???

I have no axe to grind. I'm just wondering how/why/etc Oldie's posted was deleted??

Thanks!

Bill.

The new GM TV ads I have seen this last week are trying to sell based on "the most powerful motor" offered...is it smart to use this message at this time of high gas prices??

They are about 2 years behind the times... :eek: :eek: :eek:

42bill.....I should think in this case, Oldie deleted his post "AND THEN" typed in post deleted. See next post as a sample.......!

Post deleted. ..........See....!

Ya gotta think GM execs ARE concerned about the product. Basic business and common sense says so. Even the Mom and Pop candy store is interested in what kind of ice cream they are selling. Volume over quality does have it's limit. ...I'll tell ya what, if GM stoops so low as to not care what they are going to sell, then I'll quit buying thier product like millions of other American have done.

It is my thinking that there is a blame issue here, GM upper crust believes they would not be making those huge salaries and perks , if they were not brilliant, it has to be blamed on something else, the union, the economy, Blah, Blah bhah, Blame, blame,cry, cry,the price of oil, cuss, ...."maybe we need another raise for my son-in-law?"

Ddeuce,

Interesting 'theory' about Oldie's post. I wonder why he would delete it?

I guess I'll ask....

Hey Oldie, why did you delete your June 26 706am post???

Just wonderin'???

Bill.

Ddeuce figured it out. I did in fact delete my own post. The system allows you to alter a posting but not totally delete it.

Why did I delete it? Well - being an old GM guy I wrote this long posting (Rant) addressing what some others had said and added some commentary of my own. Slept on it overnight and asked myself, Why did you do that? Who really cares what you think? Why should you try to explain what GM did in the past or speculate on what the idiots will do in the future, so I deleted it?

Hi Ya Oldie!

I enjoyed your posting coming from one that worked at GM for so many years as you did, and your post contained some valid points based on your past experience. Found it very interesting as well. Too bad that you did delete it.

Oldie:

I thought the post that was deleted (we know now by you), was "that" post. I thought it was really interesting. Especially with your insights from being a long time GM guy.

I wouldn't be so bold as to ask you to write it all over again. But I do wish you could click on 'edit' and then click on 'undo' (like in Word) and have it magically re-appear again.

It was a GREAT post!! I wish it was still there!!!



Bill.

Come on Oldie, repost that message. We here are all sort of old GM guys. If you want to defend the GM execs, they sure could use it. A few of us are hitting on the PRESENT GM execs for basically doing a lousy job and getting paid way too much for it. If you want to defend the old time GM assembly plant worker, then go right ahead. I am certainly with ya on that one.