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Thanks fellows. Very informative. Its nice to hear your views.

Thanks for taking the time to post your thoughts here, Steve.

As stated in my original “rant” here, I said - “I never took a complaint to the Judging Committee or Steve or anything...” nor do I wish to make a federal case out of this episode now. It was just personally very discouraging, and I needed to vent on it, I guess. I think the most discouraging aspect of it was that the system failed to work in what I felt was such a clear-cut case.

I probably should never have brought this up in the public forum, but it had been under my skin, and a different string entitled “Engine Paint” in the 1933-36 forum is what brought me to finally saying something.

As I posted in that string (and should have posted here, as well) -

“As I say all these things, I do not mean to disrespect the fellows that devote so much time and effort and thought on the Judging Committee. I know most of them, and I know their motivations are unquestionably to make things better, and for the good of the Club. The problems arise on the show field, and trying to make reality conform to the ideals that have been established.”

And I certainly mean all of that. I see what you and John and many others do, of course. In NO WAY was my problem a result of the actions of the Judging Committee.

I will of course continue to have cars judged, and in fact find myself in the position of being the Chief Judge at next year’s Area 9 Meet, in Georgia. And as the years pass, I enjoy touring more and more. I would never want to pit anyone against anyone else in the Club. I think some good has probably come from posting this problem situation.

I do want to also stress that if there are any questions or comments or problems with VCCA Judging you can always contact me or anyone on the committee. Email us or call anytime.

Happy Holidays to all.

I am so proud to hear the National Judging Chairman inform us that he is trying to bring two of the most popular of the VCCA events, Touring for pleasure of driving, and Showing for honor and prestiage, closer together rather than to compete for favors of the membership. For this effort I say Attaboy.

Steve and the Judging Committee have the respect of a majority of VCCA members for their efforts to train and inform us about the Judging process. We all should work toward, and encourage their efforts to implement a uniform and fair procedure to judge our Vintage Chevrolets in relation to a known and published standard rather than a comparison to another car or cars that are entered in any given meet.

Mr. Mack,

Did you take a deep breath before that last sentence?

I had to take two breaths just to read it.

Yes , John Gill. The fact is that I even pontified somewhat, and for a little while, whilst I was typeing......Thank goodness my computer is patient and forgiving!

please have a fruitful and pleasant day of Thanksgiving on Thursday.

Please consider my views, as published above,on the pleasures of driving our Vintage Chevies just my views.

I certainly did not mean to denegrate the many, many members who get "their blast" from the judging and the awards process. In that my comments could have been misconstrued, I am sorry.

I second Steve's thoughts that touring and judgings are not opposed, the VCCA can offer activities for both.

Regards, Gary

Wow Mr. Mack!

That was an amazing sentence! It sounds like you have been a VCCA member for a hundred years.

Do you have a ghost writer? It didn't sound like the normal Mr. Mack pontificating, and only one spelling booboo.

I'll give you 110% for effort on this one.

Thanks, Teach, I been trying! Ghost writer, Really there isn't a real MrMack, he is one of them There Nome-De-Plumes....I use the speller chequer but you gotta be awefully clost to the right spelling to make it work!

I have been a VCCA member twice, the first time it didn't take......

It's amazing. It doesn't take a thread any time at all to deteriorate.

Ray I can't wait to meet you in Colorado. I'm sure you are a delightful fellow!

With all due respect to all of the guys who posted on this thread I think it has been very professional and informative, and in good taste.

Steve you said:

"We will have the opportunity to allow members to certify their vehicles as driver and touring vehicles. In order to certify in this class the vehicle must tour and certify at national meets."

You seem to say (or I assumed) that there are 2 types of vehicles, a "driver" and a "touring" car. My question is, what if I have a driver but don't have any chances to tour...is there anyway I can still get certified (or participate) in this new class at a national meet?

If not could you and the committee consider having 2 new classes one for touring cars and another one for drivers?

I think adding new classes for cars would increase attendance and participation in VCCA events; which I assume is the objective of the judging committee.

Thanks...

All the National Meets that I have attended have a tour associated with them. It may only be a few miles but is a tour non-the-less. Participation on any tour should be enought to qualify. At the Anniversary Meet next year there will be several tours. The VCCA Passports will be used so they are definately qualify.

Chipper, I am assuming that you are saying that I can do the national meet tour before entering my car in the 'Driver/tour' class at the same national/anniversary meet, is that right?

Thanks for your reply.

Maybe some meets run that way, unless I am wrong the National Anniversary Meet next year in Colorado is going to be a week after Tom Meleo's combined National Four cylinder and Early Six tour in the Montrose Colorado area. That would be a great opportunity to see what Rocky Mountain touring is all about.

The Plaque Touring day At the Anniversary Meet more than likely will be the day after the cars are judged. There will be several other driving tours during the meet.

And away we go!!!Did you hear that?.. was that supposed to be a BUGLE or a BEAGLE?

I might have spoken too soon. I do that sometimes. We are in the language stage of the proposal which has been worked on by Ken Farley. We have not made any final details on the CDPC class yet. I know that there will be an oval, board, miniature type of award and the vehicle must be at a sanctioned meet.

I know that we are going to have a Driver Class and touring is separate. Jim Farris has a Passport program set up which seems really cool.

Sorry if I was hasty and, perhaps, unclear. I really don't know the final outcome yet

Cool...thanks for the update.

Hey Gator, You just stay behind Mackie Wackie and follow him and the Bugle Blower and you will have no problems and I will be right behind you on the tours driving my Toyota Tundra, Making sure you dont get out of line. You will be there, With what chevy did you say you will be driving? See Ya In 2006 for some great fun and touring. :)

I hope to trailer my '57 to the show with my 2500HD Chevy truck....hope the gas prices go down some more as it is 1,981.83 miles for me, maybe I could get the long-distance award...LOL.

PS, don't know if my '57 is able to stay behind MM in his 4 banger...more LOL.

Gator,

Just curious, why wouldn't you drive a car as nice and 'modern' as a '57 to the meet?? Yours is a V-8 with PS and PB, isn't it?? You must be planning on having it judged??

Bill.

I doubt you will get a long distance award with a trailered vehicle. Al & Rita will probably be driving their 1930 Coupe.

See you down the Back Roads

Oldie,

I do not believe the competition is greater at the Anniversary Meets. At the Anniversary Meets each year is in a class of just that year. There are fewer vehicles in each class. If they used the standard classes there would be more vehicles per class. I have seen many classes with only one or two vehicles and everyone receives an award.

See you down the Back Roads

Agree- I have always done better at an Anniversary Meet.....The only place competition would be greater is in the Best of Show classes as there is always a good turn out of top notch cars and that divided into only 4 classes.

Agree- I have always done better at an Anniversary Meet.....The only place competition would be greater is in the Best of Show classes as there is always a good turn out of top notch cars and they are divided into only 4 classes.

Back Roads - Chevygene

You are both correct. My statement to ChevyGuru was directed to the Best Of Show catagory. You will see a greater number of early four cylinder vehicles at an Anniversary Meet than at any Regional Meet, thereby making the competition greater and the reward greater, in my opinion. And before you read something into that statement, I also stated earlier that a BOS at any event should be cherished.