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Here is some resent info about the Filling Station vs Chevys of the 40s.Both of these vendors are located about 2 1/2-3 1/2 hours from me by car.Parts ordered from chevs of the 40s turn around time (ground) is 1-2 days,FS on the other hand has a turn around of 5 days by ground?As I had mentioned in another forum,I had ordered the gray engine paint from both venders when I received my box from FS the paint can was badly damaged and paint was verywhere(this was my 1st experience with FS)I call them right away and with no questions asked they quickly sent me a replacement with no return required.The packageing was extremely poor,a few peices of news paper, the paint can was not clipped and had many dents,I had to change out the can to save the contents....Now to the paint..chevys of the 40s paint is $16.50 per qt.(gray engine enamel)the lable is generic,computer generated with ingredients,warnings and I beleive codes?I will be taking it to the auto paint store and have then take a look..F S's paint is $55 per qt(acrylic enamel gray engine paint)The lable is a manufactered one with a sticker with the mix specs like you would get at any auto paint store,unfortunately until I receive the replacement can I can't make out much do to the paint leak....color and consistancy...The chevys of the 40s paint has just a hint more blue and is about twice as thick..F S's paint,thinner and very dark,hard to see any "blue-gray"at all...So take for what its worth.I ordered the FS paint because I wanted a very high quality product and at the price it better be...but if its dark-blue-gray we should be useing I would say Chevs of the 40's has got it down...If someone would like to be the judge and jurory and end this issue once and for all I will send you a chip of each?????chef-

The Filling Station's paint is thinner than Chevs of the 40's paint because it is pre-mixed and ready to spray in a spray gun as is. No thinning required. Also, you cannot really tell by the paint in the can what color it actually is because of the browns, grays and etc. that are part of the formula. Only after you spray the paint on an object does the true blue-gray color show up...even more so after a second coat. Besure to shake the can well first though. Let us know how you make out when you get your replacement can of paint.

Also, if you want to send me a chip of each, I will be happy to compare both of them to the new old stock parts that I have to see how they both match against the correct color from Chevrolet. :cool2:

JYD,if you have painted parts with the Filling Station engine gray and also have n.o.s.colored engine parts to compared the FS's paint to,why is there any question of what is the correct color of the engine and where to get the paint?I feel your opinion is well respected here.But if this is not the case let me know and e-mail me your address and I will send you the 2 chips..chef-

Chef- , Since you are going to the auto paint store anyway, could you take a sample of each color to the store and let them do a computer match on each, then we will know if they are the same.

When you get the formula done and posted (for FS)we can have the same shade of paint made at any local auto paint store.

Gator,sounds like a great idea,doesn't sound too ethical though?Don"t know if my auto paint store has the technology,will check it out though.I just resently paided $31 for a pint of lacquer and don't forget the clear coat.I don't think there would be must savings in store,plus how many of these stores mix "heat paint"chef-

Well I'm going to put my 2 cents in on this NOW! I've been asked a couple of times already but elected to stay out!

This is way out of line for anyone to be taking someone’s product and posting for everyone to know!

While your at it way don't you just post the formula for KFC Chicken!

Your stepping on copy right laws BIG TIME! Now if you found a NOS part for your self and did your own research and wanted to share then I don't have a problem. Chef-chevy you were very right when you said it is not very ethical and I would ask you not to post it please.

Now, as for color! I know both of the guys that came up with the formulas that the Fillingstation and Chev's of the 40's are using. I'm not going to tell you which one I like because I'm friends with both people. Both guys that did the work are very technical when they do something, when they say this is right then it is as close as you can get! Now Skipper and I have been talking about this for a couple of years and I still would like to have proof! Now when I rebuilt my 34 engine a year ago it still had a lot of the original paint on the engine. I have cans form both places and picked the best color that matched the original paint on the engine. Someone said a few days ago that maybe there was more then one color! Well I think they were right! Chevrolet used that color form 29 to 53! Everyone knows that the color of the paint changes over time and because of the conditions when it was sprayed.

That is all, I'm stepping of my HI horse!
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Chef-chevy. I think you misunderstood what I was saying, or I probably didn't explain it clearly. I use the Filling Station's paint, (until recently I wasn't even aware that Chevs of the 40's had a dark blue gray available) and as I explained in the other thread, I have compared their paint to the new old stock parts that I have and it is a match. There is no question as to what the correct color is at this point. What I want to do, is have a sample of Chevs of the 40's paint to compare to my new old stock parts. If Chevs of the 40's color is also a close match then the guys that want the original color will have two sources to purchase their paint from. As we have mentioned before, not all paint batches are the same, then or now, and with over two decades of engines painted the same dark blue gray, the color shades will vary slightly between batches because tints change, thus changing the formuala some as well. But the idea here is to get as close as we can to the original since there are a zillion different grays on the market that one can chose from. I have a feeling that Chevs of the 40's paint will be a very close match as well....and this is good! Will both paints (the Filling Station and Chevs of the 40's) exactly match each other absolutely perfectly? Probably not, but as long as both dark blue grays are extremely close to the original, that's all that matters.

And, I also agree that posting the formula is a matter of ethics, and the formula shouldn't be posted.

I agree that it isn't ethecial and probably illeagal to copy the formula, but there isn't anything unethical about mixing the paint to match that color by trial and error, you don't need the formula for that, it is done every day at auto finishing stores, since many times in older paint repair jobs the mixing codes aren't an exact match with the color on a certain car. The formula contains much more than just the colors needed to acheive the color, like additives for flow, drying times, durability, gloss, etc., etc. and that is as much a part of what you are paying for as just the color.

The formula for copying KFC's fried chicken has been on the internet for years, it is not illegal because it isn't a copyed recipe, but a trial and error process to duplicate the original secret recipe in appearance and taste. (just some trivia)

I still have a little paint from an original Chevrolet duPont engine paint can. The can did not survive nor did the label unfortunately. The enamel paint is now hard as a rock. I also have an engine painted with the paint about 30 years ago. It compares well with NOS parts from the 40s and 50s. Since I have not ordered paint from either the Filling Station or Chevys of the 40's I can not compare their paint. If you send a couple of chips I will give my impression on correctness.

Hey Macky Wacky! Good point! There is nothing wrong getting paint color matched at your local automotive paint supply house. All ya need is a sample to compare to.

Hey Chipper Dipper Doodle! Thanks for your input, and we welcome your comparison test as well.

As soon as I can get billy boy barker over to my house, I will have him put some pictures of my 32 engine on this thread. The engine pictures are when the engine was rebuilt and had just been painted with the filling stations engine paint. Depending on the lighting source, The engine color looks lighter and darker at times, Especially when In the garage under flourescent lighting. From a couple of original pieces I have seen with the original paint, I think my engine Is a exact match. I have one picture of my valve cover and I will put It on also. I know that If I were to take the valve cover to my auto paint store, They would match the paint perfectly to It, As I have seen other colors that they matched and they were all a perfect match. :) :) :) :)

As soon as I what???!!?!??!??! :eek:

I've got better things to do, don't ya know, than take more dang pictures of your rig!!

Wanna see a neat car??? Lookie here!!



But of course, this is a 1931, not a '32!!!

What the heck is that????? Arf, arf!!!! ha ha! :eek: :eek: :eek:

This is Steve from The Filling Station. I have stayed out of the conversation regarding the paint we sell mainly because price is more important to some and quality is more important to others. There is no point in trying to convince either side that the other one is wrong.....both are right! After all, it is their money and their car so, therefore, their decision which way to go.

I would like to thank all of those that have been active in this discussion from both sides of the fence. We had to find a new supplier for our paint because the one we had went out of business. When dealing with a new source, you don't necessarily get the best price the first time around. It took many tries to get the color match correct....again! Thanks to all of the noise about the paint on the Chatter, I decided to call our new supplier and tell them what was being said. After much negotiation, they agreed to lower the wholesale price to us, so we can lower our retail price. Those that purchased paint at the higher price can call me at (800) 841-6622 and we will give you a credit toward your next purchase.

We still won't be as cheap as Chevs of the 40's, but our paint is PPG and excellent quality and it is definitely a correct match to the original color. As always, you get to choose! Another thing that has come out of all of this......we will now offer our engine paint in pint cans. As those of you that shoot paint know, this is plenty of paint for an engine.

I am a life member of the VCCA and have been active as a region member, region director and national board member over the last 25 years. I am a huge supporter of our club and I appreciate all of those members that purchase products from us. We can't be the cheapest on everything we sell, but I do feel that our prices on the whole are very competitive. Thanks again for your input......you CAN make a difference!

Steve Kassis VCCA Member #14861

Steve, thanks for your years of great support to the VCCA organization. I have been a member for just a few years and have bought many things from your store and other vendors as well. You have been very fair and when ever I had a problem on my restoration, You took the time to help me out and If you did not have what I was looking for you steered me to another vendor. Saying all that, Now how about selling me one of those NOS COILS. Thanks for all the help steve. :)

Bill,
Your new garage behind the picture of that 31 looks like it's almost finished. Way to go. <img border="0" alt="[twix]" title="" src="graemlins/twix.gif" />

Ha ha... I wish!!!

Come on guys, Some of you are mixing apples and oranges. IT WOULD BE ILLEGAL FOR THE FILLING STATION OR ANYONE ELSE TO LABEL THE PAINT WITH THE CHEVY NAME OR THE NAME OF ANY PAINT MANUFACTURER W/O THEIR PERMISSION.

Matching paint chips at a auto paint store IS NOT ILLEGAL OR UNETHICAL. Think about it, this is the main function of paint stores, both auto and home paint.

Asking for a specific paint code is also NOT UNETHICAL OR ILLEGAL. Everyone working at Home Depot and Lowe's and the auto parts stores would be in jail. And all of you who buy and use the paint would also be breaking the "law" (adding and abetting).

We post codes all the time:
http://morechevys.homestead.com/paintcodes.html

Under this misconception the Filling Station would
be both unethical and law breakers since they
"copied the Chevy paint" and made their own and sell it for a profit.

For your information you can get the KFC recipe and a lot of other "brand" name product recipes on line. Just don't try and sell it as "KFC".

http://www.cooks.com/rec/search?q=Kentucky+fried+chicken+recipe

Thank you Steve for your devotion to the VCCA and for helping us do restorations as correct as possible.

The extra mile you went to lower your price shows that money isn't everything to you, unlike some other vendors out there.

Even if your paint is a little more than others, I will be buying it from you for the 2 reasons above, I feel that I need to surport a business that has a "human heart (and Chevy)" and shares my values. When it is time to re-paint my motor, I will be using my credit with you for a "pint of the good stuff".

Thanks again.

Filling Station Steve here......lil' Johnny, you probably won't ever get total agreement on what is a "correct" color as this conversation has been going on for the 25 years I have been a member of this club. About six months ago, I responded to this question, but it may be time for a repeat for those that weren't involved at that time......

Our paint color was matched by long time VCCA member, expert body & paint man, show car builder and all-around Chevy nut, Dick Bertolucci from Sacramento. Dick started out in the hobby over 50 years ago and he did custom cars with the likes of George Barris. His cars are some of the finest in the country and he is known nationwide and highly respected for the quality of his resotrations.

Years ago, when I first started in this business, Dick was a member of the Sacramento Valley Region, as was I. At that time he had a collection of over 40 cars, some of which were low mileage originals. Dick suggested to me that I should have the correct engine color mixed up to sell. At that time Bill Hirsch was selling a light grey paint (i actually think it is a Ford color). Dick matched the color from original engine blocks out of his collection. He had over 30 years of experience (at that time) with mixing and color matching paint.

Since that time, other long time VCCA members, including Lee Folsom, Skip Geear, Bill Barker and Jim Farris have discussed the subject of "correct" engine color with me and some have matched it to their own NOS parts. As anyone can tell you, paint batches will vary over the 30+ years this paint was used on Chev engines. I feel that we have done all that is possible to get the "most correct" match to the original.

Steve, I'm very impressed by the extra mile you've gone, especially in packaging the paint into pint cans. If only other vendors, for all sorts of commodities, would be that supportive!!

We haven't done business in the past, but we will be in the future!!

-Bob

lil' johnny
I don’t know where your coming from but it is obvious that you’re not from a design engineering world. But I am and have to consider this every day when I’m working on a project for work.

I’m not talking about the color being copyrighted; I’m talking about the formula. Now think about the drug industry, ever wonder why a generic drug does not work as well as the original? It is because the formula has a copyright on it. Now there is not a single thing stopping you from finding an original part and coming up with your own formula because it is most likely different! That is where you draw the line and why you have two different colors from two sources, they have two different formulas. I never said the color was copy righted.

Now today after I saw your note I talked to one of the patent lawyers that I work with and showed him the chat page. The patent lawyer said from the information that is on this topic, he would have plenty of bases for filing a suit, if a formula was posted on the web derived from the Filling Stations or Chev’s of the 40’s paint and you said that was where it came from. Which you have already done! If that is not enough then I don’t know what is. Now if you’re a patent lawyer then come up with something better.

MrMack said it best “The formula for copying KFC's fried chicken has been on the internet for years, it is not illegal because it isn't a copied recipe, but a trial and error process to duplicate the original secret recipe in appearance and taste.” Note Appearance and Taste and it is not Chevrolet Dark Blue Gray!