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I have a '68 Chevelle SS396. It's been restored to stock condition. All numbers match but block numbers have paint on them now. I've never entered it in a judged meet but I intend to do so this summer. When I read the judging rules, I see deductions for things like my 15 in rally wheels (14 in. were factory issue) and my rally stripes on the hood and rear deck.

Since both of these items were available as Chevrolet dealer installed items in 1968, why are they deductions?

Also, I've added led tail/brake lights in the original lenses and a third brake light. Will those cause deductions too?

Happy Motoring,
Bill

If 15" wheels were not available from the factory and the judge notices they are 15", points will be deducted.
If the stripes were available from the factory in any manner they will not cause a deduction. There having documentation would be suggested.
The LED tail lights probably won't be obvous but a third brake light would cost points.

Just running down the option list I do not see 15" wheels as an option.

Bill,
The owner should have the documentation to support any questionable items if questioned

If you were a good enough customer with your Chevrolet dealer they would do most whatever they could to make you happy & sell you the car including putting Z/28 stripes or Corvette wheels on it. The optional stripe for a 1968 Chevelle SS396 would go over the nose & down by the rockers almost all the way to the back. I would say having documentation would be a must...Joe

That is true but if the Corvette wheels were not lsted as an option they would be nixed. You would need to furnish documentation.

You might want to review the section on judging regarding safety improvements to see if it helps regarding your question on the lighting.

If you scroll down to pages 6 through 8, you will see the 1968 Chevelle options and dealer installed accessories. 15" wheels are not listed. Option ZJ7 shows rally wheel hubcaps and trim rings, but does not specify 14" or 15". Rally stripes are not listed.

https://www.gmheritagecenter.com/do...its/Chevelle/1968-Chevrolet-Chevelle.pdf

Note that there are two threads on this subject.

The ZJ7 option would only be for 14" wheels as there was no option for 15" tires...Joe

Yes, Gene, I goofed and put this one up first before I remembered the Judging section. I'll get Bill B to delete it. Thanks, Bill

Since there is at least one detailed response, I think that I"ll just MERGE this one with the other one.

When you read this note again, they will all be in the same thread.

It seems strange to me that turn signals and seat belts are acceptable on older cars that did not have them as original equipment (like my '31) but LED tail/stop light bulb inserts and third brake lights are not.

Does anyone know if these two things have been discussed as revisions to the judging rules or not? If not, how do I get these onto an agenda for evaluation?

For an answer to this contact the judging committee chair at vcca66chevelle@gmail.com.....and let us know of his response.
This is from page 5 of the G&D under Club Contacts.

I'll definitely do that. I saw Dave's name there too. Thanks and .... Happy Motoring!

Good question and I was involved with those decisions, and the reasons were NOBODY younger then 40 years old knows what hand signals are and seat belts are needed if you want to install a car seat, or secure a young person

You're correct about my 15" wheels and tires. They were not offered in the official factory or dealer installed options catelogs. Does this mean I get 35 points deducted for wheels and 40 points deducted for tires?

I would run that past DTM.

Yep, will do.

Also, it says repeatedly, "an approved fire extinguisher..." but I can't find anywhere that there is a description or list of "approved". What is "approved" supposed to be?

Every Fire Extinguisher should have a UL Number on it and an "Approved" number on it.

Itust be the proper type of extinguisher for eletrical and gasoline fires. I don't recall the letter class but it used to be printed in the judging manual.

The letter code is B-C and it should state that it is for use with gasoline-oil-and electrical fires.

Okay guys. Now I understand the "approved fire extinguisher" phrase. Thanks for the help as always. - Bill
Happy Motoring!

What about the date on the extinguisher??At my last judging I was told "but not deducted "That mine was expired...I examined it very well, but see no date

There will be no date on the Extinguisher only a paper tag from a Fire Extinguisher inspection service.

Interesting I was told that by the judge???

Fire extinguisher require recertification on a yearly basis & need to be hydro tested. That test is either every 5 year or every 10 years according to manufacture date on the extinguisher...Joe

Was the date on the tag "expired", when your vehicle was judged ?

OR..... in the eyes of the judge, if there was no tag, then perhaps they considered the extinguisher expired.

Just grasping thoughts here.

No, the tag is sealed and there is no date on it

Sounds like no date = no good.

Back when I was involved with judging the fire extinguisher only needed to have the pressure gauge needle in the green to be considered okay. I would have to look it up in the Judging Manual but am remembering it must be at least a 5 B:C or larger.

I've got 2 five lb. and 2 10 lb. Kidde extinguishers in the garage and cars. They are all less than 3 years old. None of them have any dates or date tags on them and I never removed any either. Somebody here didn't get the "date tag" memo.

Mine was un-touched after purchase...No date of any kind???

Like the Fire extinguisher...Some times I just don't understand where the judges are coming from..See comments




Picture taken 2 weeks after judging???

He must have been using your judging sheet on another car.

To be honest, my total points were petty high...It almost appeared an intentional slam at my car because it had done so well

But why would a judge do that?

If I were the judge, heck, I'd be happy that the owner did well.

I just purchased an extinguisher this morning at Lowes in the original box. No Tag, No Date. I will have it in my car this summer.

Maybe the "date" idea is something that doesn't really exist ? ? ?

Is it just me but having a car judged and having lost points is a valuable service. You now know how to improve your car for the next time. As the owner you don't always see the "flaws". I agree sometimes judging might be on the edge but isn't the doubt given to the owner? Corvaired Dade City,Fl

If judging is done properly there should be no deduction if the judge is not sure of the authenticity or condition. If that is what you mean by "doubt given to owner" then you are correct.

"When in doubt don't deduct".

Chipper,yes that is exactly what I mean. Corvaired Dade City,Fl

That sounds good Dog but it is not used. The last time I had our '31 Judged one of the judges took 4 points off that should not have been taken. The next time I saw that judge I asked him about it. He said he was not sure so he took the deduction. I was standing with the car and he could have asked or I could have asked one of the other judges that knows '31s. It is all a guessing game.

Yep.....and that is exactly why I said "When in doubt don't deduct"!