Reproduction Parts for 1916-1964 Chevrolet Passenger Cars & 1918-1987 Chevrolet & GMC Trucks



Visit the new site at vcca.org

Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
#197790 02/11/11 08:19 PM
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 27
jwest36 Offline OP
Grease Monkey
OP Offline
Grease Monkey
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 27
The generator has been rebuilt (twice) and it is still overcharging when raising the rpms. Cutout is the original delco remey

What could be the issues?


Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 29,863
Tech Advisor
ChatMaster - 25,000
Offline
Tech Advisor
ChatMaster - 25,000
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 29,863
Did you try adjusting the output by moving the third brush?

What is the output of the generator?

laugh wink beer2


The Mangy Old Mutt

"If It's Not Junk.....It's Not Treasure!"
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 27
jwest36 Offline OP
Grease Monkey
OP Offline
Grease Monkey
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 27
Junkyarddog, Thank you for the info!

No... we did not adjust the third brush ....but we will now! The shop that rebuilt the motor has the car and is doing the work reinstalling the generator so I don't know the output but the ammeter is spiking all the way to 20 amps with rpms.

Is there a specific way the bush has to be moved?

Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 19,758
Likes: 63
ChatMaster - 15,000
Offline
ChatMaster - 15,000
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 19,758
Likes: 63
Move the brush clockwise looking from the back. Or if mounted then it moves away from the person doing the adjusting.


How Sweet the roar of a Chevy four!
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 27
jwest36 Offline OP
Grease Monkey
OP Offline
Grease Monkey
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 27
Chipper,

Thank you.

John

Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 29,863
Tech Advisor
ChatMaster - 25,000
Offline
Tech Advisor
ChatMaster - 25,000
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 29,863
The easiest thing to remember is to decrease the output move the third brush towards the engine. To increase the output move the third brush towards the fender.

laugh wink beer2


The Mangy Old Mutt

"If It's Not Junk.....It's Not Treasure!"
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 27
jwest36 Offline OP
Grease Monkey
OP Offline
Grease Monkey
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 27
The third brush is moved as far towards the motor as it will go and the generator is still sending out 8+ volts and over 20 amps....Any suggestions as to what to do next to decrease the output?

Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 29,863
Tech Advisor
ChatMaster - 25,000
Offline
Tech Advisor
ChatMaster - 25,000
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 29,863
When you had the generator rebuilt did they happen to replace the armature for some reason?

laugh wink beer2


The Mangy Old Mutt

"If It's Not Junk.....It's Not Treasure!"
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 1,213
ChatMaster - 1,000
Offline
ChatMaster - 1,000
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 1,213
Check to see whether the field lead to the 3rd brush has not been connected to the + main brush,and vice versa.If they have been crossed over,then the field is connected directly across the armature,and you will have no control over the output by moving the 3rd brush.

chevy


CJP'S 29
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 27
jwest36 Offline OP
Grease Monkey
OP Offline
Grease Monkey
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 27
Junkyard dog- Yes the armature and field coil are replaced

Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 27
jwest36 Offline OP
Grease Monkey
OP Offline
Grease Monkey
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 27
CJP Thank you for this info. I will check and let you know. There is almost no change in output when the brush is moved...

Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 29,863
Tech Advisor
ChatMaster - 25,000
Offline
Tech Advisor
ChatMaster - 25,000
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 29,863
As CJP suggested your wires may be connected incorrectly. However, if it turns out that they are not, then you have a good chance that the new armature that was installed is incorrect for your application. I have run into this many times before. The correct replacement armature for your generator is a number 733.

By the way, why didn't the shop that rebuilt your generator catch the overcharging problem when they tested your generator for output?

laugh wink beer2



The Mangy Old Mutt

"If It's Not Junk.....It's Not Treasure!"
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 27
jwest36 Offline OP
Grease Monkey
OP Offline
Grease Monkey
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 27
Junkyard Dog- Thank you for the correct number. I'll double check with the member I purchased it from. As to the rebuilder...I'll send you a pm.

Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 47
Shade Tree Mechanic
Offline
Shade Tree Mechanic
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 47
John,
Sorry I haven't returned your call yet. As to the armature, the NOS one that I shipped you does indeed cross to a 733. I will call you soon to discuss your problems.


Jason
Advanced Electrical Rebuilders
jason@aerrebuild.com
www.aerrebuild.com
Specialist in Starter, Generator, Distributor & D.C. Motor Restoration
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 29,863
Tech Advisor
ChatMaster - 25,000
Offline
Tech Advisor
ChatMaster - 25,000
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 29,863
Quote
As to the rebuilder...I'll send you a pm.

Never received your PM.

laugh wink beer2


The Mangy Old Mutt

"If It's Not Junk.....It's Not Treasure!"
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 27
jwest36 Offline OP
Grease Monkey
OP Offline
Grease Monkey
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 27
Junkyard Dog,

Just sent pm


Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 27
jwest36 Offline OP
Grease Monkey
OP Offline
Grease Monkey
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 27
The generator was wired incorrectly as CJP and Junkyard Dog had suggested. The mechanic rewired it as explained and it's now charging correctly. I pick it up this morning!

Thank you for your knowledge and help with this matter. The VCCA has been a real help with this project.

Thanks again!

Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 47
Shade Tree Mechanic
Offline
Shade Tree Mechanic
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 47
Just wanted to clarify in case there were any assumptions being made. I was not the rebuilder that rebuilt and did not test the generator. Everyhthing is checked/tested before it leaves my shop. Just wanted to make sure no one made the connection between me and the other rebuilder.


Jason
Advanced Electrical Rebuilders
jason@aerrebuild.com
www.aerrebuild.com
Specialist in Starter, Generator, Distributor & D.C. Motor Restoration
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 27
jwest36 Offline OP
Grease Monkey
OP Offline
Grease Monkey
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 27
Jason helped correct this. He shipped the correct part at a reasonable cost and went out of his way to help. Thank you!


Link Copied to Clipboard
 

Notice: Any comments posted herein do not necessarily reflect the official position of the VCCA.

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5